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and you were hoping it goes SpaceX today

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for what purpose never telling you where

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I'm going again ie left plant 42 came

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straight to you and now I'm going to

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space look at what were you doing at

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plan 42 just saying hey snooping around

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oh yeah I run in there a little back bag

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and you know so you have credentials

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that allows you to walk on to plan for

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you to anytime you want not going okay

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see what you just came from plan 42

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what's on your person can we see what's

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on you I imagine you have to have a

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little card or a badge or something when

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you walk in you might have that but they

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take it back when you okay so if you so

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if you're a visitor

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you would signs trying to milk me into

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this secondary questions to get me to

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admit second so did you see anything

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interesting at plan for new today no but

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I got to talk to a few people that I

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wanted to clarify a few things just to

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make certain the direction I wanted

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here's my main goal okay

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we the tangent obviously last week is is

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whether or not I was on one or something

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like that well let me stop there for a

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second because you and I texted about

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that you're saying that hey I'm

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concerned that people are getting worked

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up about the hinting that I may have

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flown on one and getting I don't know

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people are pretty skeptical the whole

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story yeah well it's not just you flying

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on right which is which is fine and I

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appreciate the reason why I appreciate

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that is because that will that will get

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people to look into it to debunk me and

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if they can debunk me then that's great

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go for it but the the difference is is

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that the information that I'm giving as

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it comes out then it will obviously

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verify me down the road I can't give out

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sources and that people don't like that

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I can't say how I acquired the

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information people don't like that and

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that's just something that you do in the

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in the investigative journalism you you

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know as well as I do if you have a

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source that is so embedded that you

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don't want to do anything to reveal that

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or how you acquire information in any

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way shape or form

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or how you acquired information in 2005

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you know as because it's different but

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let me I said why do you feel it's okay

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to reveal what you have revealed I mean

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have you well I haven't revealed

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anything that's that's going to have the

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government go I'm a traitor I'm a Edward

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Snowden tossed me over but you you

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really are to this day the only person

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who has come out and said that I'm aware

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of and especially someone who's claiming

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I have this information from the

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government right that these ticktick

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UFOs are US Air Force craft and also if

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you go back to 2004 and fast forward to

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2017 that's how long it took for the

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guys that were actually there and saw it

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to come out with their information so

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all your information being simply

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acknowledged symbol symbol this exactly

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right but it's a huge leap to say that

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the video is real we encountered UFOs we

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don't know what they are that's what

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they've said so far yes that's a big

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revelation they've never confirmed that

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before very significant we're just

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talking to Nick cook a couple hours ago

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and he was acknowledging how significant

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that is in the UFO community that for

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the first time the government saying yes

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there's UFOs mm-hmm but then you've

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taken it a whole nother step by saying

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that in it's us technology us craft

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right so it's so you're the only one

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that I'm aware of has come out and said

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that SARS I know and why do you feel

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comfortable that it's okay that the

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government is okay with you sharing that

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information that they shared with you

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I don't now whether or not the

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government is concerned is is more or

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less the question as opposed to whether

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or not there concern that I am the one

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giving the information the information

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is going to come out anyway so it

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doesn't matter it's just eventually

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going to come out and that's because of

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the radar you mentioned the well phased

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array radar is obviously coming out and

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that's that's what's going to see them

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or has the the ability to basically

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track them the important thing is the

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tracking of it it's not necessarily to

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see something if we come out with new

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technology which we all we have and it

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be say b-2 bomber flies over your city

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they will see the b-2 bomber

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okay but to track it and say well it

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looks like it's going to Cuba it would

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be an issue so that's where you get into

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some tricky area phased array radar

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which contract well over a hundred

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objects well over 200 actually at

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simultaneously live without waiting for

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sweep and all this other stuff so the

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issue that the the bigger issue is what

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are people going to do with the

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information and who is it going to be

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important for and now that the

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technology on both sides of the game are

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catching up to each other you've got the

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actual craft that's designed to avoid

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radar going up against radar that's

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designed to find the craft and all

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around the world everyone I mean phased

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array radars not noon is it's been out

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for many years I mean the first cruisers

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that came out with it we're late 80's

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90's and what have you here but that was

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been out since late 1800 so it's not new

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exactly new technology but the newer

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technology variations of it are becoming

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very more or very more much more

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accurate in its ability to track the

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objects that we're talking about here so

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I think a lot of the things that I'm

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talking about is not necessarily the

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government saying Mike go tell them this

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you know the disinfo side and or me

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coming up with my own speculation it's

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it's it's kind of over the years of

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talking to people and then coming up

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with my own conclusion as to what I feel

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it is or what's going on so I have my

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opinions on the matter and I'll state

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what I feel this fact and then I'll let

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you know what I feel the speculation or

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an area that I'm getting into that I

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don't know anything about well but as I

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think it's pretty clear to say that it

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is not your opinion that these are US

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craft you are saying you know absolutely

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yeah there's no doubt in my mind a zero

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dollar right yeah so and the reason you

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know that is by information that you

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gathered and or were provided from the

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US government no let me say that again

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now the reason you know the US

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government didn't come to me and just

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give me an for me no but you got the

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information that's them

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that's correct I just want to be clear

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that's right people will pick this apart

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either gathered

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or were provided by right gathered from

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were provided by the US government or

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people who worked in the government not

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necessarily that would be identified as

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ago because people view me and you if we

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had it if we had a job at the government

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and I told you something I say hey man

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take a look at this and tell me what you

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think it is that's not in my opinion the

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US government give me information that's

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my buddy that's still in saying hey you

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know I was a you know someone that would

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look into these things and and you're

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pretty confident this a hypothetical

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buddy who may have shared something with

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you over beers let's say very possible

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would would have that's what you're

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doing 80% of the time would not have a

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problem with what you're doing now in

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having knife et cetera well there's the

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well there's several ways this is gonna

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go one

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I'm just making all this up and the blah

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blah blah - I'm putting people's lives

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in jeopardy so I have to be very careful

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about how I say things which are going

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to give me plausible deniability if you

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want to look at it that way but the

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primary thing is to give the accurate

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information to the people that actually

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need it and that I feel could use it

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there's guys that were out there that

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have been ridiculed made fun of and just

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basically lambasted since since this

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information came out and from one

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spectrum in spectrum to the other you

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talking about the witnesses I'm talking

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about witnesses yeah well but the Navy

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has already come out and said that no

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these guys really experience something

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so they're not making fun of them saying

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haha you think because they haven't

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really backed them up to the degree that

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I feel should be done and keep in mind

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to the the there's not necessarily the

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government's the government all the

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government said was that yes these

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videos that were whistle blown are in

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fact unidentified aerial phenomena and

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we don't know what they are that's what

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they're saying of course that's a lie

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but that's what they're saying so the

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guys have been lied to that one instance

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that's they're being vindicated in the

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other instance they're being lied to

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again so yes these are unidentified

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aerial phenomena but hey we don't know

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what they are which is a lot and what

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about timing why now because you've been

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of this for at least a couple of years

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what's but why the timing for me yeah

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part of my timing is the Las Vegas

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investigation to get that out of the way

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and behind me so if if this blows up or

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balloons up I can be around to help

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where I can

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I don't know they come to think of it

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that timing like is very close

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Vegas shooting was October 30th well you

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and I discussed this before that

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remember before you we discussed this

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before the video from some other guys

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because someone said I had brought out

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information that had already been put

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out well yeah because we'd be giving you

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this before he even when you're talking

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about regarding the tech right yeah they

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took care you and I talked to tech

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before we talk to Vegas no no no no I'm

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saying you and I talked tic-tac before

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the Ryan White was a wagger I don't know

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the guy's last name anyway so his

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interview came out but you and I had

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discussed that beforehand and so when we

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when your show came out people said I

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was discussing things I said her I would

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come out which we'd already discussed no

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I was just making a point that the Vegas

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shooting was October 30th I have the

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date right the actual shooting interpret

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first sorry October 1st of 2017 correct

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yeah and it was just you know a little

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over a month later poor choice of words

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not mine

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yeah a little over a month later in 27

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yeah when I was when you confirmed the

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existence of these Tic Tacs oh right and

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that their us technology or you knew

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even earlier than that well no in 2005 I

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listened to the columns that was just

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the radio transmissions we didn't really

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have an idea I mean we kind of knew what

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was going on but didn't once we heard

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some call signs then we knew at least

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where it was the other guy knew what it

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was he was testing it basically given me

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the inference just say what do you make

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of it and it wasn't him asking me you

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know try to figure out which aircraft

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this is which group they belong to or

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whatever he's saying he said what the

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hell do you think they're talking about

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he just said listen to it and give me

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your thoughts you're saying he knew what

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it was though he neat well in hit yeah

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because he had access to other data as

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well but he but he didn't tell you at

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that time no he yeah I'm not gonna say

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any more than that because that's going

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to identify kind of how

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he acquired the information anyway you

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had a pretty good idea back in 2005 that

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this was us technology yeah I got up

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figures yes technology and and my

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reasoning for that is more psychological

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than it is anything tangible is that if

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those craft came here and they were from

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first off they're not gonna pop up on

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radar just below San Clemente Island and

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no one do anything about it and these

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things they were toying with us for days

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this wasn't a singular event this

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happened over a large period of time

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with multiple aircraft okay so since

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that's the case if do you think for a

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moment we wouldn't go to DEFCON

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something if these craft were just

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popping up along our coast running

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around and our super hornets cannot keep

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up with these they've got a couple

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so-called experts including Nick cook

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ooh

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this were very dubious of the idea that

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the US would test its technology with

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its own with another branch of its own

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military they just thought that that's

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not the way the military operates under

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normal circumstances I would agree the

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problem with that statement is making a

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blinken stack blinken statement about

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that like he did is is probably is

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obviously ourselves testing information

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or testing vehicles and testing drugs or

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whatever on our military for years so

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it's not uncommon so well and to take a

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big step back

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there's nothing usual about what

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happened there's nothing usual about any

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of this right so you know this suggests

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that there's some precedent that matters

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but let me go back to yeah this is out

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of the norm let me go back to timing at

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what point did you be use it here today

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and you're a hundred percent confident

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it's a fact it's not your opinion it's

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us technology when did you become a

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hundred percent confident of that how

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long ago was that mm-hmm as opposed of

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no one speculating knowing knowing

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pretty well at cetera I would say it

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would be sometime in 2015/16 in that

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range and I can't go into exact details

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of why my my focus or more thought

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process would have changed when I was

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absolutely definitive was

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in November of 2017 that's that's when a

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lot of the information was you know

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coming out that on December 14th or 16th

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somewhere in that range when they

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actually released the that footage I

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mean it was leaking out to a few key

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people that this was about to happen you

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know and there's some think tanks that

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go on periodically just people get on

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the phone brainstorm about hey what do

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you think or what are the implications

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of this what's going to happen you know

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so when you first became more

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definitively knowledgeable of it and

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you've talked a lot about in November of

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17 when your phone wound up flying

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across country perhaps with you or not

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with you did you that the video footage

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hadn't leaked at that point the to the

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Stars Academy video that started this

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whole thing from the public's

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perspective

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didn't come out until December correct

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were you aware that that was gonna be

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leaked out was that already kind of a

370
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known thing yes

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so the backstory well here the issue I

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have is after a leak it was very

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anti-climatic there is a a huge I mean I

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mean I don't know how to describe it any

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better than just a plethora of video

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footage that is available that we

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covered this subject matter this is one

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or two events of many I think upwards of

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25 major events and even underwater

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events that have not been mentioned yet

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and you believe all there's video of

382
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well there's not necessarily video but

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there's gonna be data breaks that'll

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have so at least 25 encounters between

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US military and these objects is that

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were you saying correct and but I but

387
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I'm not privy to that yeah that we've

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got it would be awesome to have Lois on

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the show and and just try to find out no

390
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I but there's some differences of

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opinion after I've heard more he thinks

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they are remind me which is what my

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understanding I watched him briefly on

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it on a show where he believed that they

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were not of this world

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which is fine I have no problem Louis

397
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Elizondo now with to the stars

398
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supposedly ran a tip although

399
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something's been breaking recently where

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to the stars now apparently is backing

401
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away a little bit from saying he was the

402
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head of a temp because apparently

403
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there's been some department of defense

404
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officials that have said no that's not

405
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true this guy did not run a tip and who

406
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did I don't know but apparently he never

407
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had an official title that pertained to

408
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a tip so it is not a thousand percent

409
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confirmed and even I did I forget where

410
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I'm getting this so I apologize a bit is

411
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Arclight recently where even to the

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stars is no longer holding him out as

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the former head of a tip so something's

414
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going something happen there yeah

415
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whether he really was head of it or not

416
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but anyway but he why he was the puppet

417
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so he yeah you know so no one has really

418
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denied that do we know how he got the

419
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video I don't know hardly any how he got

420
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the video yeah that was his job so he

421
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but that means he stole the video yeah I

422
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get I get that yeah that was obviously

423
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an issue now here and here's the other

424
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problem the government isn't going after

425
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him he's not like Edward Snowden they're

426
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not chasing him around the world saying

427
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hey you leaked out this information the

428
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government basically confirmed yeah what

429
00:16:51,819 --> 00:16:49,670
he put out was two years later but yeah

430
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a year and a half later right and and so

431
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with that being said then the government

432
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is obviously not having an issue with

433
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this information they obviously didn't

434
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categorically deny any of it they

435
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haven't said that this is not our

436
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technology they basically said they

437
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don't know what it is which is their

438
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classic BS answer to just about any well

439
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what do you think was behind their

440
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decision a few months ago to come out

441
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and say that it's real and the this

442
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experience was real you know for the

443
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Navy why even confirm that no that is

444
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out of the norm because normally they

445
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would just not say anything we would

446
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just sit here in the dark and then the

447
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conspiracy you know they go that

448
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direction I go a different direction and

449
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then eventually we all battle and

450
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what-have-you but my speculation is is

451
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that this technology is going to be

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revealed

453
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regarde

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other countries are developing the exact

455
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same technology and they are China being

456
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the closest to us Russia being probably

457
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not too far behind and since this

458
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technology is going to be utilized by

459
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several countries go ahead and get it

460
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out there and just say hey yep it's

461
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there and we're don't worry were the

462
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leader of the pack okay and then back to

463
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timing for you as to why you chose to

464
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start talking about this when you did

465
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was that based on some type of a green

466
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light that somebody gave you or is this

467
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just getting done with Vegas and feeling

468
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it's a great time to take out something

469
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else I was getting there's a very small

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group of people that are outside of the

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government myself included that are kind

472
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of in the know we're all in the know for

473
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various reasons okay me I like to snoop

474
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around and I find stuff that's what I do

475
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I'm very good at the couple of the

476
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others are people who were in and are

477
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out now so to speak either working in a

478
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civilian or in under contract or

479
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whatever and so when you meet someone

480
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and you ask them questions and then they

481
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they you probably had this before you

482
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meet someone you ask them some questions

483
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they're not comfortable talking at that

484
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moment and then somehow they want to

485
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talk to you off the record and that's

486
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essentially you know kind of what

487
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happened to people want to get the

488
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information out there they felt bad

489
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about the guys when the nimitz

490
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encounters video come out came out that

491
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video basically has propelled this fort

492
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and my hat's off to them doing that

493
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because those those guys need the

494
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answers and closure or whatever whatever

495
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they need they need it and I'm going to

496
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try to give them the pieces of the

497
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puzzle that I can I don't have all the

498
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answers I don't know what the propulsion

499
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is I don't know the energy sources or

500
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any that stuff I have my own ideas after

501
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you know having it in the back of my

502
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head for years of toying around every

503
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now and then I'll sneak over and watch

504
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someone's website uh-huh that kind of

505
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makes sense so that fits you know and

506
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then you you had the patents and all

507
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that the last time I was on the show so

508
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you did the same thing and it's a

509
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national curiosity to figure stuff out

510
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but these guys need the answers because

511
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they lived it

512
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and or any of these other guys planning

513
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on speaking publicly about it well oddly

514
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enough when a couple of them when we

515
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talked it was all that gung-ho thing and

516
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then once I I said what I said you go

517
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ahead so the words you guys had a

518
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conversation about hey let's all start

519
00:20:22,540 --> 00:20:21,080
talking about this and they're left out

520
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first and then they yeah there's one

521
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person in particular you know who you

522
00:20:29,410 --> 00:20:27,140
heard that that we yeah we were gonna

523
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have this as hey I got your back you got

524
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my back you know that kind of thing but

525
00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:33,679
at the same time there's they're still

526
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in those industries and they realize

527
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that they would never have another job

528
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I'm out I'm not in the industry anymore

529
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at all so I don't have to worry about it

530
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,270
I'm not gonna go working you know pull

531
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the DD 254 or go to booze almond or any

532
00:20:52,030 --> 00:20:49,520
of that stuff so I'm okay with the

533
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information I'm given the concern factor

534
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that I have is that I also at the same

535
00:21:01,450 --> 00:20:57,470
time have information that would would

536
00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:01,460
be in my opinion considered a concern

537
00:21:06,370 --> 00:21:03,320
for national security so I will not

538
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,380
divulge that and when you if you dabble

539
00:21:11,130 --> 00:21:08,240
in that area I will obviously push back

540
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and that's important so what push back

541
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or feedback etc blow back

542
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have you gotten so far as a result of

543
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the interview from anyone kind of inside

544
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,250
the community the in the know community

545
00:21:26,830 --> 00:21:24,320
Oh in the know community yes I've zero

546
00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:26,840
okay yeah I'm saying like I can't

547
00:21:31,660 --> 00:21:29,510
believe that turbo guy no did that

548
00:21:33,130 --> 00:21:31,670
no okay no I'm outside the community we

549
00:21:34,510 --> 00:21:33,140
know what that is that's YouTube and

550
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,520
Facebook and everything yeah who thinks

551
00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:36,559
that your your yeah I'm alone a quack

552
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,390
I'm here for some reason or your you

553
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,440
know you're gonna write me a check at

554
00:21:42,790 --> 00:21:40,880
the end it's interview for 50 grand and

555
00:21:45,549 --> 00:21:42,800
then we're all happy that's that but

556
00:21:47,770 --> 00:21:45,559
that's obviously not the case and so

557
00:21:49,450 --> 00:21:47,780
what is my motivation to do this why why

558
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:49,460
is it or whatever my motivation to do

559
00:21:53,260 --> 00:21:51,410
this is literally the same motivation I

560
00:21:54,790 --> 00:21:53,270
had for for Vegas which is going there

561
00:21:56,770 --> 00:21:54,800
get the information for the victims and

562
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:56,780
here's the same thing so let's try to

563
00:22:02,169 --> 00:22:00,080
address some of the cynics out there

564
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:02,179
whose to follow up and clean up a few

565
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:04,370
things so one thing that you mentioned

566
00:22:10,270 --> 00:22:07,490
to me is that you had been in touch with

567
00:22:12,450 --> 00:22:10,280
some nimitz folks that worked on the

568
00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:12,460
nimitz or around that you can

569
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:14,470
you giving me a blank stare like I'm not

570
00:22:19,230 --> 00:22:15,490
supposed to be saying this but anyway

571
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:19,240
you can you can confirm or deny but that

572
00:22:23,369 --> 00:22:21,490
I don't know that you provided you

573
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:23,379
provided some information to them and

574
00:22:27,869 --> 00:22:25,450
that checked out and that caused them to

575
00:22:28,499 --> 00:22:27,879
think oh wow this guy knows what he's

576
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,509
talking about

577
00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:31,360
well that or I obviously have more I

578
00:22:35,609 --> 00:22:33,190
know words I have another piece of the

579
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:35,619
puzzle that fits and that one of the

580
00:22:40,109 --> 00:22:38,169
guys said yeah that's that's actually

581
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:40,119
pretty accurate that they didn't mention

582
00:22:44,909 --> 00:22:43,330
on anywhere I've seen and that might you

583
00:22:46,139 --> 00:22:44,919
know give them a little bit more or give

584
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:46,149
me credibility to them I don't care

585
00:22:51,379 --> 00:22:49,330
about anyone else believing me or not

586
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:51,389
believing me I care about those guys

587
00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:54,490
believing the information or it's going

588
00:22:57,690 --> 00:22:55,990
to come out anyway so the information I

589
00:23:01,499 --> 00:22:57,700
give at some point in time will come out

590
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:01,509
and okay well you know well I mean as

591
00:23:05,239 --> 00:23:03,730
you sit here now you probably don't know

592
00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:05,249
one way or the other but for instance

593
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:08,980
favor the I forget his first name is

594
00:23:14,850 --> 00:23:12,129
David Frank's favor who was the

595
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,860
quadrants commander who was on Rogan a

596
00:23:18,739 --> 00:23:16,480
few weeks I haven't seen that saying

597
00:23:21,989 --> 00:23:18,749
saying that he didn't know what it was

598
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,999
do you know whether or not he's aware of

599
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:23,679
the interview or do we have reactions

600
00:23:28,259 --> 00:23:25,690
from any of those types of folks yet no

601
00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:28,269
I don't know I have no contact with I

602
00:23:32,129 --> 00:23:30,700
have no contact well I can't say no

603
00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:32,139
contact with anyone but I don't have any

604
00:23:38,129 --> 00:23:35,860
contact with with any of the pilots so I

605
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,139
have no idea okay so what what is this

606
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:40,240
kind of new thing or whatever that the

607
00:23:45,239 --> 00:23:41,769
Nimitz guys kind of said yeah that

608
00:23:46,619 --> 00:23:45,249
checks out this guy was legit well part

609
00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:46,629
of the information I basically put on it

610
00:23:50,669 --> 00:23:48,700
on a public post was I just went in

611
00:23:53,249 --> 00:23:50,679
there and said you know cuz I contacted

612
00:23:55,889 --> 00:23:53,259
them that might be I may have that post

613
00:23:58,409 --> 00:23:55,899
is this the thing that you wrote to Ryan

614
00:23:59,700 --> 00:23:58,419
yes okay yeah yeah I thought it might be

615
00:24:01,289 --> 00:23:59,710
a good idea to go through this a little

616
00:24:04,259 --> 00:24:01,299
bit so you're saying what you wrote in

617
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:04,269
this post Nimitz guys read this and like

618
00:24:10,019 --> 00:24:07,090
oh I'm saying that that most likely no

619
00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:10,029
they didn't come to me and say hey we

620
00:24:14,399 --> 00:24:12,070
read your post you gave some information

621
00:24:17,009 --> 00:24:14,409
blah blah blah we believe you know there

622
00:24:18,930 --> 00:24:17,019
wasn't all that you know kumbaya kind of

623
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:18,940
stuff it was just the post and then they

624
00:24:25,409 --> 00:24:22,720
did contact me so and that's where we're

625
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:25,419
at at the moment yeah so let's go

626
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:26,320
through the post a little bit

627
00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:28,330
a lot of acronyms in here that I don't

628
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:29,860
know what they mean so I'm just curious

629
00:24:37,289 --> 00:24:33,039
so you point out to him Ryan who had

630
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:37,299
been what was what was his job Ryan I

631
00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:40,210
believe was in charge of the helicopters

632
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,700
on Princeton okay I'm not sure exactly

633
00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:44,080
I'm like the maintenance of them are

634
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,820
some so whenever I give an acronym just

635
00:24:49,529 --> 00:24:46,960
tell me what it means and I'll keep

636
00:24:52,889 --> 00:24:49,539
reading your guests were from our ARL

637
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:52,899
mm-hmm as Air Force Research Laboratory

638
00:24:59,299 --> 00:24:55,090
and then maybe they know which is which

639
00:25:01,619 --> 00:24:59,309
is is that a place or is that a tub

640
00:25:02,970 --> 00:25:01,629
essentially like a well if you want to

641
00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:02,980
use the term Department yeah that would

642
00:25:08,879 --> 00:25:04,750
fit it's like a department yeah you know

643
00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:08,889
it's their advanced research arm let

644
00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:13,960
gorgeous I'd plan 42 ARL I don't know no

645
00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:19,629
arrow I think is wright-patterson okay

646
00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:22,120
so they were from ARL and out of

647
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:25,750
wright-patterson on TDY hmm temperature

648
00:25:30,869 --> 00:25:28,809
duty temporary tour of duty yeah that

649
00:25:33,330 --> 00:25:30,879
means they're there for temporary I'm a

650
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:33,340
TTY temporary I know it doesn't the

651
00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:35,470
letters don't work but it's a temporary

652
00:25:39,659 --> 00:25:37,750
duty basically you're rated you're given

653
00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:39,669
orders to go somewhere you may be there

654
00:25:45,389 --> 00:25:41,830
for a day a week a month however long

655
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:45,399
okay and that's referring to the guys

656
00:25:48,539 --> 00:25:46,870
that were operating the tic tacs

657
00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:48,549
basically you know that's referring to

658
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:50,350
the guys that went and picked up the

659
00:25:53,850 --> 00:25:51,730
data from the ship

660
00:25:55,259 --> 00:25:53,860
gotcha the two guys right yeah I think

661
00:25:57,779 --> 00:25:55,269
there were more than two I'm not a

662
00:26:01,049 --> 00:25:57,789
hundred percent positive but I'm fairly

663
00:26:02,850 --> 00:26:01,059
certain there were more than two they

664
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:02,860
may have only seen two guys in fleiss's

665
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:04,210
to come in but I believe there were more

666
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:07,210
than two yeah and we covered this in a

667
00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:16,919
McMillan who did a big article for

668
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:19,240
Popular Mechanics and has another one

669
00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:22,960
coming out on Vice but he did extensive

670
00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:25,240
interviews with all those guys

671
00:26:32,009 --> 00:26:29,799
and you're doing to find out by the way

672
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:32,019
yeah I did I read the article yesterday

673
00:26:40,289 --> 00:26:38,950
yeah and those guys say that they were

674
00:26:41,999 --> 00:26:40,299
the main ones tall in the story

675
00:26:43,949 --> 00:26:42,009
that the stuff was picked up it was

676
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:43,959
picked up off the Princeton and off the

677
00:26:49,139 --> 00:26:47,039
Nimitz and there was a slight

678
00:26:51,089 --> 00:26:49,149
contradiction or controversy because

679
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:51,099
flavor said oh nobody came and picked up

680
00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:52,809
anything in these guys were saying

681
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,940
that's the problem yeah they did yeah so

682
00:26:59,159 --> 00:26:57,039
favored me not I don't know why he would

683
00:27:00,329 --> 00:26:59,169
say that he made I've been privy to it I

684
00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:00,339
mean he might have been somewhere else

685
00:27:07,529 --> 00:27:03,549
he should have been I would think okay

686
00:27:10,829 --> 00:27:07,539
so he said Ann left Princeton bound for

687
00:27:13,259 --> 00:27:10,839
van den Berghe and plant 42 and then

688
00:27:15,479 --> 00:27:13,269
home the following week so you're saying

689
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:15,489
that the two or more guys who picked up

690
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:18,820
all of the hard drives or tape or

691
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,289
whatever else they would have picked up

692
00:27:27,329 --> 00:27:23,200
right all the evidence they left the

693
00:27:29,549 --> 00:27:27,339
Princeton no matter which order I may

694
00:27:31,139 --> 00:27:29,559
have the Vandenberg in playing 42 order

695
00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:31,149
backwards or what-have-you

696
00:27:35,219 --> 00:27:33,190
so I can understand why they go to plant

697
00:27:37,979 --> 00:27:35,229
42 why did they go to Vandenberg that's

698
00:27:39,899 --> 00:27:37,989
where the that's where they were phone

699
00:27:42,419 --> 00:27:39,909
actually out of they've they flew out

700
00:27:44,699 --> 00:27:42,429
from Vandenberg out the eighties and

701
00:27:46,409 --> 00:27:44,709
then down the coast and then they went

702
00:27:49,739 --> 00:27:46,419
home the following week meaning home

703
00:27:53,329 --> 00:27:49,749
back to wright-patterson in Ohio yeah so

704
00:27:56,749 --> 00:27:53,339
the guys that came to the Princeton and

705
00:27:59,279 --> 00:27:56,759
the Nimitz to pick up all the evidence

706
00:28:01,889 --> 00:27:59,289
originally had come out from Ohio on the

707
00:28:03,629 --> 00:28:01,899
special temporary duty assignment to

708
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:03,639
pick this stuff up yeah and I don't know

709
00:28:07,379 --> 00:28:05,529
how long that that assignment was I

710
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:07,389
don't know if there was there was you

711
00:28:12,719 --> 00:28:11,529
know several weeks of of beforehand you

712
00:28:15,509 --> 00:28:12,729
know setting up and getting information

713
00:28:17,009 --> 00:28:15,519
or learning the ship's operations and

714
00:28:18,779 --> 00:28:17,019
stuff like that but obviously the

715
00:28:22,289 --> 00:28:18,789
commander's you know on board knew what

716
00:28:23,729 --> 00:28:22,299
was going on they were in I believe I've

717
00:28:25,889 --> 00:28:23,739
now since found out they were in

718
00:28:31,109 --> 00:28:25,899
Admirals quarters and what-have-you

719
00:28:32,819 --> 00:28:31,119
so the guys were were there's I mean

720
00:28:34,619 --> 00:28:32,829
it's quite clear okay this was an Air

721
00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:34,629
Force operation in conjunction with

722
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:35,320
DARPA

723
00:28:43,589 --> 00:28:41,769
yeah maybe Navy research lab to test the

724
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:43,599
craft commonly referred to as tic-tac

725
00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:46,089
your tech tech group were made at plant

726
00:28:50,999 --> 00:28:47,950
42 we've talked about that before in

727
00:28:52,739 --> 00:28:51,009
trucked to Vandenberg and 53-foot trucks

728
00:28:54,390 --> 00:28:52,749
that was a question I had

729
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,400
why were they take

730
00:29:00,840 --> 00:28:57,520
Vandenburg the tic-tacs i well the thing

731
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:00,850
is that as far as i know the information

732
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:02,980
that I've received is that they have not

733
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:05,380
flown them out of plant 42 they didn't

734
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:07,090
just like take off and go and go to

735
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:09,790
their destination so they're one of the

736
00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:11,530
bases that I believe would be would

737
00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:14,590
operate them as vandenberg or Beale but

738
00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:17,260
mainly Vandenberg vania burgers are good

739
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:21,040
for this particular incident it has its

740
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:23,530
own corridor going out to the ocean they

741
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:26,050
could dip down come back in the 1880s

742
00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:29,320
we're exactly as Vandenberg Ventura if

743
00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:32,740
you head Ventura California and

744
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:35,590
relatively close to the coast yep yes

745
00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:38,650
right handles the lot of the space

746
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:40,660
operations so for lack of a better word

747
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:42,610
that would be a safer place to have them

748
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:45,340
leave from to go do their exercises over

749
00:29:50,190 --> 00:29:47,770
the water as opposed to well at 42 which

750
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:50,200
is out halfway to Vegas yeah well yeah

751
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:53,470
plant 42 is just inside the mountains

752
00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:55,450
and you know but you could I mean you

753
00:29:59,010 --> 00:29:56,680
could do a lot of things there no one

754
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,020
would ever see it now but I guess why

755
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:01,120
not just fly it direct from plant 42 out

756
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:01,690
to the ocean

757
00:30:07,470 --> 00:30:04,510
that I don't know the the idea for the

758
00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:07,480
for the trucks is that I know this this

759
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:08,830
is the speculation part because I don't

760
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:11,020
have this answer but the size that they

761
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:13,810
were were made and I think you had

762
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:16,270
mentioned in the in the show with I

763
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:18,760
think it was two men maybe was Tim that

764
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:22,240
the size was or you were basically

765
00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:24,070
staying what I said this I was the size

766
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:25,780
is around forty six feet but it's the

767
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:27,250
same length or very similar to the same

768
00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:30,640
length as f-18 the width however is a

769
00:30:34,110 --> 00:30:32,860
little bit more narrow than I think was

770
00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:34,120
it was well I think I said something

771
00:30:38,550 --> 00:30:35,980
like 20 feet yeah but what do you think

772
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:38,560
with this I don't know exactly but I

773
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:40,450
believe it's small enough to fit on a

774
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:42,040
truck to where it would not have to be

775
00:30:46,170 --> 00:30:45,040
so far oversized or oversized possibly

776
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:46,180
at all so if you saw one of these trucks

777
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:47,770
driving down the road it would look like

778
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,100
a normal 18-wheeler marine you say the

779
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:52,720
tic-tac is about forty six feet long so

780
00:30:57,810 --> 00:30:54,580
they can be trucked from Vandenberg they

781
00:31:03,630 --> 00:30:57,820
were flown low in slow via RPA which is

782
00:31:06,510 --> 00:31:03,640
remote pilot pilots out past ADIZ that

783
00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:06,520
that's the lady the eysie is a line that

784
00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:07,670
certain that goes

785
00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:08,990
the United States said of aircraft

786
00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:11,000
coming into the United States they cross

787
00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:12,740
that line they have to identify they

788
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:15,470
come in okay and dipped in just below

789
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:17,930
San Clemente Island below normal radar

790
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:20,360
right now here's there's the here's the

791
00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:22,610
iffy part I don't there's this there's

792
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,940
Ana Navy installation on on San Clemente

793
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:26,480
Island

794
00:31:31,930 --> 00:31:29,270
I don't know how active it is or if they

795
00:31:33,610 --> 00:31:31,940
flew them there drop in there and waited

796
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:33,620
and that was like some sort of station

797
00:31:37,690 --> 00:31:34,850
they would go back and forth like that I

798
00:31:39,790 --> 00:31:37,700
don't know but I do know that they that

799
00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:39,800
their path supposedly from my the

800
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:41,390
information I gathered was from

801
00:31:45,220 --> 00:31:43,250
Vandenberg down there and then they

802
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:45,230
dipped into the the training area where

803
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:49,640
the yeah from their spy one be mmm my

804
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:52,550
one brother which is that's the phased

805
00:31:56,410 --> 00:31:54,410
array radar that's on the Princeton okay

806
00:31:58,420 --> 00:31:56,420
should have acquired their tracks after

807
00:32:02,440 --> 00:31:58,430
that it was all United States Air Force

808
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,450
testing how Nimitz CIC which is see a

809
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:04,640
comment Information Center would respond

810
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:06,290
in an effort to gain knowledge on how

811
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:08,270
our own forces would react to them I

812
00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:10,690
mean one question I have about that is

813
00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:13,430
well I guess this is back in this is

814
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:16,460
back in 2004 so they're still at that

815
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:19,130
point relatively new but what do we know

816
00:32:24,010 --> 00:32:22,910
about if you know 15 years ago we had

817
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:24,020
this technology and I think you're

818
00:32:27,610 --> 00:32:25,130
saying even longer than that

819
00:32:30,130 --> 00:32:27,620
what kind of advancements has there been

820
00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:30,140
since what was slow my understanding now

821
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:32,360
is there's three variants so you have

822
00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:35,030
the original the original tic-tac then

823
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:37,070
you have another variant which is

824
00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:38,570
commonly referred to as a gimbal and

825
00:32:42,850 --> 00:32:40,460
there's apparently another one that I

826
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:42,860
don't think we've seen a video on that

827
00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:48,400
has a specific as a specific job to do

828
00:32:54,150 --> 00:32:51,470
wherever it's going to go which will be

829
00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:54,160
a different function than the other two

830
00:32:59,140 --> 00:32:56,900
and are they all still under the Air

831
00:33:01,390 --> 00:32:59,150
Force as far as you know no I think then

832
00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:01,400
when when you told me the Navy had the

833
00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:03,140
pen I don't think they're all now this

834
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:04,670
part I don't know all I know is how they

835
00:33:09,370 --> 00:33:06,890
relate to the Air Force as far as I know

836
00:33:12,010 --> 00:33:09,380
they're all operated by the Air Force

837
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:12,020
but in conjunction with someone

838
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:13,550
commented that wait a minute if this

839
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:16,490
thing is also conserved as an underwater

840
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:19,820
craft slash submarine then that would be

841
00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:21,170
Navy so how could this

842
00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:22,670
Phee air force well that's that's what

843
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,060
I'm getting at is I don't know past the

844
00:33:30,910 --> 00:33:28,640
air force I don't know if the Navy has

845
00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:30,920
their own variants of the craft now I'm

846
00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:31,670
sure they do

847
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:33,140
they would have to by this point but you

848
00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:35,330
wouldn't agree that necessarily if the

849
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:37,190
air force developed something that also

850
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:39,110
goes underwater that they would have to

851
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:42,710
then involve the Navy I don't think

852
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:44,870
there's some hard written line that says

853
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:46,970
hey if one of our craft is you know

854
00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:49,010
because the the Air Force has a lot of

855
00:33:52,540 --> 00:33:51,020
boats well first of all I think one

856
00:33:56,050 --> 00:33:52,550
thing that people have been confused by

857
00:33:58,300 --> 00:33:56,060
is that you're not saying that the Navy

858
00:34:00,430 --> 00:33:58,310
was not aware of this you're saying that

859
00:34:01,780 --> 00:34:00,440
people below a certain level at the Navy

860
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:01,790
yeah so we're not aware of this

861
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:03,470
absolutely what the Secretary of the

862
00:34:06,940 --> 00:34:04,730
Navy you would have known about it

863
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:06,950
absolutely on the commander of that

864
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:09,290
strike force has known about it as

865
00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:10,970
evidenced by their actions if these

866
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:12,860
things would have been there they would

867
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:15,440
have been listed as either hostile or

868
00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:18,200
something close to that if an object is

869
00:34:23,590 --> 00:34:20,390
flying around in our airspace especially

870
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:23,600
around a carrier group and no one seemed

871
00:34:27,490 --> 00:34:26,270
to care enough to take extra action to

872
00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:27,500
take these things down and they were

873
00:34:31,419 --> 00:34:29,390
there it wasn't a one-day event this is

874
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:31,429
over several days so as soon as you see

875
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:33,020
these things pop up on the radar take

876
00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:34,490
them out because if you don't know

877
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:35,630
they're on there zipping all over the

878
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,820
place well let's test our missiles let's

879
00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:39,200
test our lasers and see if we can take

880
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:40,820
these these things out and furthermore

881
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:42,530
you wouldn't think you would send your

882
00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:44,510
f-18s out there to check them out

883
00:34:48,669 --> 00:34:46,280
without having weapons on them

884
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:48,679
yeah no lowdown there's nothing else and

885
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:50,090
the same thing happened off the coast of

886
00:34:55,650 --> 00:34:51,740
Jacksonville it was it was a similar

887
00:34:59,290 --> 00:34:55,660
situation so my opinion is this both

888
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,300
coasts were tested using two different

889
00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:02,000
crafts two different time frames they

890
00:35:05,350 --> 00:35:03,740
almost the identical same way because

891
00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:05,360
this test down here was so successful

892
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:07,640
that they were able to gather a lot of

893
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:09,260
data from it and that they realized that

894
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,420
okay this is working pretty well those I

895
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,000
believe the tic-tac is is either fully

896
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:16,640
operational or very close to it but I'm

897
00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:17,960
pretty sure it's operational at this

898
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:19,880
point as far as the other craft I did

899
00:35:23,050 --> 00:35:21,320
that one I don't know if its operation

900
00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:23,060
and what do you know about how this

901
00:35:30,070 --> 00:35:26,080
craft could theoretically be weaponized

902
00:35:31,660 --> 00:35:30,080
that that is now this is me going off of

903
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:31,670
the information I have as far as I know

904
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,140
the craft cannot lon

905
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:36,240
you can't open up a bay door and start

906
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:37,380
dropping bombs and things like that

907
00:35:41,330 --> 00:35:39,780
because that will disrupt whatever you

908
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:41,340
know the Vacaville or whatever is around

909
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:43,890
it that's my understanding no but I

910
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:45,510
don't know that for sure because I don't

911
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:47,070
know the propulsion I believe the

912
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:49,590
understanding I have is that based on

913
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,930
the particular contractor that made

914
00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:54,960
tick-tack or the contractors that made

915
00:36:01,120 --> 00:35:57,660
tick-tack is that its purpose was more

916
00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:01,130
geared towards some form of surveillance

917
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,820
activity you know the gathering

918
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:04,200
intelligence and stuff like that because

919
00:36:07,070 --> 00:36:05,250
you can put them on point anywhere in

920
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:07,080
the planet in 17 minutes so that's

921
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:10,140
that's important so I believe that's

922
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:12,630
that's it for that one now as far as you

923
00:36:15,859 --> 00:36:14,490
know the classic let's eventually learn

924
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:15,869
how to weaponize it well yeah maybe you

925
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:17,130
can put a laser on it than my fire

926
00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:18,570
through may not affect it but that I

927
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:20,670
don't know I'm not that good and I know

928
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:22,170
you keep saying you don't sure about the

929
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:24,090
propulsion or source of energy but is it

930
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,950
your understanding that there's been

931
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:28,320
some major breakthrough when it comes to

932
00:36:33,820 --> 00:36:30,510
energy absolute creation that's on this

933
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:33,830
craft mhm and something that could have

934
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:37,310
relevance to energy production for

935
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:40,290
domestic use absolutely and then the

936
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:42,060
reason why I say that is because these

937
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:44,280
things were airborne for a very long

938
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,680
period of time obviously the amount of

939
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:48,480
energy that what you would think would

940
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:50,510
be necessary to keep a craft like this

941
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:53,340
loft and do the actions that it does

942
00:37:00,500 --> 00:36:57,810
would be enormous or maybe not maybe now

943
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:00,510
we have the nuclear reactors we have on

944
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,050
subs well in all Oliver's and in fact

945
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:06,960
our crackers there are cuff carriers are

946
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,570
nuclear-powered right many of us are but

947
00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:11,640
I imagine it's a I don't know what the

948
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:14,100
size of the reactor is well we'll keep

949
00:37:18,590 --> 00:37:16,170
in mind nuclear power there you're not

950
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:18,600
getting the power directly from the

951
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:22,170
nuclear fuel source it is heating up you

952
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:24,090
know other you know chemicals are reward

953
00:37:27,859 --> 00:37:26,190
or what have you to create steam to turn

954
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,869
the turbines to make the engines go

955
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:30,420
that's how that basically works it's not

956
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:31,830
like you take your little nuclear pellet

957
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:34,410
put it inside and you can run a city it

958
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:36,300
doesn't work that so but so yeah the

959
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:37,740
ultimate question is could the same type

960
00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:39,450
of nuclear power that generates our

961
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:42,630
submarines and our aircraft carriers be

962
00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:46,390
on a tic-tac I I can pray

963
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:47,860
let's put it this way my opinion is

964
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:50,020
absolutely this is not a nuclear powered

965
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:52,810
craft not nuclear-powered not new to the

966
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:55,960
pirate I don't know so once again that

967
00:37:59,340 --> 00:37:57,370
would be a technology now that's been

968
00:38:01,260 --> 00:37:59,350
around for twenty years and we're not

969
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:01,270
seeing any real-world application of

970
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:03,430
this tremendous new form of energy

971
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:06,490
you're seeing there's several well the

972
00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:09,550
problem is the balance one is the

973
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:11,260
obviously the propulsion you know

974
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:12,850
getting it to move and the other is the

975
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:14,260
power source to give it the propulsion

976
00:38:17,550 --> 00:38:17,020
so how those two interact with each

977
00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:17,560
other

978
00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:20,200
I don't know but what I'm saying is if

979
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:22,600
this power source is revolutionary then

980
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,250
that means it has real-world application

981
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:26,800
and the US government is holding out on

982
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:29,470
putting that to use domestically which

983
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:31,270
could be great for climate change it

984
00:38:35,550 --> 00:38:32,410
could be great for the cost of energy

985
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:35,560
etc well I think it's technology that's

986
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:37,180
already been worked on in the civilian

987
00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:39,370
sector and keep in mind the technology

988
00:38:43,410 --> 00:38:40,270
for what would be considered

989
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:43,420
anti-gravity has been worked on for a

990
00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:46,330
hundred years you know so with with very

991
00:38:52,590 --> 00:38:49,000
little success but there has been some

992
00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:52,600
measurable advances but nothing -

993
00:38:57,690 --> 00:38:55,060
nothing I mean this this is you went

994
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,700
from A to Z there was no there was

995
00:39:01,890 --> 00:39:00,640
nothing once they figured this out and

996
00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:01,900
they flipped the switch and it was ready

997
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:03,580
to go by the way did you learn anything

998
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:05,650
more about the universities that it came

999
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:07,330
from you had mentioned Dundee which is

1000
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:11,110
out of Scotland hmm and we came upon a

1001
00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:16,510
name of a guy sandy sandy Kim Kidd sorry

1002
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:19,600
is that that name rings a bell that

1003
00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:20,140
rings a bell

1004
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:22,900
and as someone associated with not with

1005
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:24,610
it okay here's here's the thing about it

1006
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:25,990
I was supposed to test him on that I was

1007
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:31,690
supposed to see yeah what kid did was he

1008
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:34,290
created a device that essentially

1009
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:37,270
lessened the mass of an object okay it

1010
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:39,790
was very I mean then the measurement

1011
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:41,110
would be so low that it would be

1012
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:42,850
impractical to think that there would be

1013
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:45,310
yeah like a three percent reduction in

1014
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:48,490
the weight of it or the mass 0.3 it was

1015
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,970
just ridiculously low so that you know

1016
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:53,920
once once and once I said that I knew

1017
00:39:57,210 --> 00:39:55,510
someone would go well this guy's

1018
00:39:58,620 --> 00:39:57,220
obviously crazy because there's no way

1019
00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:58,630
in hell they could have taken his

1020
00:40:01,850 --> 00:39:59,490
technology and there

1021
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:01,860
that much when it only you know produced

1022
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,320
a point three percent variance in the in

1023
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:06,480
the weight of an object but the Russians

1024
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:08,040
were also working on in nineteen ninety

1025
00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:11,510
two a Russian came out with with their

1026
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,040
variation of how to you know reduce the

1027
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:16,260
mass of an object and the whole idea is

1028
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,210
to reduce either reduce the mass of an

1029
00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:20,280
object or to create a repulsive force

1030
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,840
that the object can actually ride

1031
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:24,720
through or a combination thereof that's

1032
00:40:27,830 --> 00:40:26,550
the part where it's tricky that's the

1033
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:27,840
part I don't claim to have all the

1034
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:29,220
answers but I've looked into it just

1035
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:31,560
like anyone else I can talk about it but

1036
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:33,330
when I talk about those subjects it's

1037
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:35,970
not from me knowing it from the sources

1038
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:38,040
saying okay well yeah Mike knows the

1039
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:39,510
propulsion you know is this any the guys

1040
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:40,770
obviously I could just sit there and

1041
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:42,210
read the internet all day long and come

1042
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:43,050
up with all this stuff

1043
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:45,480
but that's not that's not the case so

1044
00:40:52,070 --> 00:40:50,010
the propulsion is different and it's a

1045
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:52,080
whole nother things not nuclear as far

1046
00:41:00,140 --> 00:40:55,710
as I know but as far as the anti gravity

1047
00:41:02,420 --> 00:41:00,150
effect of it that was studied it's using

1048
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:02,430
technology that would have come from

1049
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:04,130
some of the dundee experiences

1050
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:07,170
experiments some of the 1992 russian

1051
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:09,180
paper that came out and also north

1052
00:41:14,570 --> 00:41:11,730
carolina university areas you know Tar

1053
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:14,580
Heels mmm-hmm so that's the second that

1054
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:16,020
would be one of the ones that had is

1055
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:18,270
there a name of someone there that I

1056
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:20,970
don't you can just like you found sandy

1057
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:22,770
I don't know the names of I know that

1058
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:25,619
they created their own internal research

1059
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,510
for anti-gravity and that they've had

1060
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:29,760
some limited success but I think what's

1061
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:32,010
happening is is that when DARPA gets

1062
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,290
involved and that this is this is where

1063
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:37,200
the magic happens when the universities

1064
00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:38,850
do they're they're experimenting or

1065
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:39,270
what-have-you

1066
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:42,270
they can only go so far DARPA has the

1067
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:45,210
pockets and DARPA can push a program a

1068
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:47,369
certain direction if you can if DARPA

1069
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:49,020
can use something as a weapon or as

1070
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:51,000
something for the military money just

1071
00:41:56,330 --> 00:41:54,420
instantly appears but for the civilian

1072
00:41:58,070 --> 00:41:56,340
sector not so much but keep in mind

1073
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:58,080
there are several civilian companies

1074
00:42:04,099 --> 00:42:01,260
that are working on these two or three

1075
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,109
crafts that that we're all fairly

1076
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,780
familiar with that are not the big

1077
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:08,760
military contractors that were also

1078
00:42:11,570 --> 00:42:10,020
familiar with so you've got some new

1079
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:11,580
players in this field

1080
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:13,410
yeah well Nick cook was talking about

1081
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,110
the size of this black project budget

1082
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:18,240
essentially and that he says a lot of

1083
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:19,740
the dollars started in the Reagan

1084
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:21,810
administration and have only gone up

1085
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:24,780
since then to the point of he's now as

1086
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:25,770
to me I think in those days he was

1087
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:27,240
estimating about ten billion a year and

1088
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:28,560
now he's estimating about thirty billion

1089
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:29,670
that sounds familiar

1090
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:33,150
yeah yeah on the first show but I did

1091
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,500
say that this money came out of the

1092
00:42:37,850 --> 00:42:36,240
starwars program and that I guess he

1093
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:37,860
basically backed me up on it yeah yeah

1094
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:39,540
well he definitely backed you up on the

1095
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:41,790
Reagan administration he was relating it

1096
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,310
a little bit more to the stealth

1097
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:47,220
technologies of the I knows it the b-1

1098
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:49,170
bomber and but what about basically

1099
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,450
original self plans well as far as this

1100
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:53,520
the stealth technology a lot of it

1101
00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:54,630
depends on which type of stealth

1102
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,590
technology when you're talking about

1103
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,660
reproducing a radar cross signature of

1104
00:43:01,280 --> 00:42:59,220
an aircraft then you're talking Lockheed

1105
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:01,290
has there's that lockdown as far as the

1106
00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:03,450
the all the technology behind it when

1107
00:43:07,340 --> 00:43:05,070
you when you're talking about passive

1108
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:07,350
and active systems of camouflage of

1109
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:09,090
actively being like me being right here

1110
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,850
I'm going that's not you're not dealing

1111
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:13,440
with radar cross-section at that point

1112
00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:15,090
you're dealing with you know what we

1113
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:18,360
talked about before so that technology

1114
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:20,010
is actually coming out from from

1115
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:23,100
brand-new players in in this area so

1116
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,210
you're looking at that but you're

1117
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:25,980
looking at the usuals the Boeing the

1118
00:43:29,090 --> 00:43:27,900
Raytheon the all the other companies

1119
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:29,100
that have some sort of play in a

1120
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:31,170
variation of this or one that may be

1121
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:33,750
coming out down the road yeah he also

1122
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,550
confirmed that something like this in

1123
00:43:39,110 --> 00:43:37,380
his mind could be kept a secret because

1124
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:39,120
that's one of the things I struggle with

1125
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:40,410
is I just can't imagine how they'd be

1126
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:41,520
kept secret base and that stealth

1127
00:43:46,310 --> 00:43:44,280
technology was kept secret for very very

1128
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:46,320
long before we're finally well yet have

1129
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:49,170
blue which is the the originator the the

1130
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:51,570
precursor to the Nighthawk which is the

1131
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:55,770
f-117 a so the from have blue to us

1132
00:44:02,780 --> 00:43:58,650
actually taking a 117 a in dropping

1133
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:02,790
bombs and South America then from that

1134
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:06,000
timeframe is quite substantial the sr-71

1135
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:08,250
another classic example we couldn't have

1136
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:10,200
built that plane without Russia because

1137
00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:12,180
we needed the titanium so we kept that a

1138
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:14,670
secret and we literally perceived the

1139
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:16,050
titanium from Russia and built the plane

1140
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:19,170
and flew over us so so yeah a lot of

1141
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:20,610
these things had to be keep kept secret

1142
00:44:24,110 --> 00:44:22,530
for a long time and but keep in mind

1143
00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:24,120
that number people that worked on these

1144
00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:24,760
projects

1145
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:27,790
now in the hundreds and thousands so to

1146
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:30,130
keep that under wraps for that long a

1147
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:32,110
period of time it's very difficult to do

1148
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:33,520
and you'll have some tiny leaks that

1149
00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:35,080
come out here and there but that's also

1150
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:36,670
why the military and the government goes

1151
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,710
compartmentalized as far as some people

1152
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,480
work on this aspect like somebody may

1153
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:42,400
work on propulsion they may work on

1154
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,110
something no different over here and the

1155
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:46,240
two really don't know what that was

1156
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:47,710
doing I think what shocked somebody like

1157
00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:49,870
Nick cook who feels like he's really on

1158
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:51,580
the inside even though he's on the

1159
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:53,650
outside but on the inside of what's

1160
00:44:59,610 --> 00:44:56,710
going on in military technologies and so

1161
00:45:01,020 --> 00:44:59,620
forth that in all you know and here he

1162
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:01,030
wrote this book which was a ten year

1163
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:02,410
research project he said about

1164
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:06,130
zero-gravity I think he probably feels

1165
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:08,100
he didn't expressly say this that

1166
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:09,940
someone would have tipped him off he

1167
00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:12,910
would have had some inkling why me that

1168
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:14,380
well I'm saying he would have had

1169
00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:16,690
himself some inkling that this exists

1170
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:19,660
he's got zero inkling that the US has

1171
00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:21,610
developed this technology he

1172
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:23,800
acknowledges as most scientists seem to

1173
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:26,410
that it is theoretically possible but

1174
00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:29,050
that we're just he's got zero inkling

1175
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:30,820
that we have anything close to this okay

1176
00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:32,350
well the problem I have with that is now

1177
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:33,820
you're back to saying that the guys are

1178
00:45:37,830 --> 00:45:35,950
liars or that the guys did not see

1179
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:37,840
exactly what they saw or did something

1180
00:45:41,580 --> 00:45:39,160
else was going on yeah well basically

1181
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:41,590
well here is so here's the three options

1182
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:43,750
for Mike Turner other than him just you

1183
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:45,850
know tell the truth one is it's

1184
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:48,370
disinformation which he basically says

1185
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,170
Nick cook says there's a lot of

1186
00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:52,000
disinformation agents out there that is

1187
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:53,950
a real I've never met one that's a real

1188
00:45:59,460 --> 00:45:55,690
thing but it's a real thing right I want

1189
00:46:03,390 --> 00:45:59,470
my check but disinformation agents is a

1190
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:03,400
real thing yeah I mean not not in this

1191
00:46:07,740 --> 00:46:05,230
domestic category like this as far as

1192
00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:07,750
it's for I have never met anyone inside

1193
00:46:12,330 --> 00:46:10,870
the United States that goes out and does

1194
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:12,340
what people think I'm doing right now

1195
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,210
I've never in my life seen that but how

1196
00:46:20,580 --> 00:46:18,640
do you know I mean I'm sure I'm sure it

1197
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:20,590
happens to some degree but where the

1198
00:46:24,510 --> 00:46:22,390
disinfo happens that I'm familiar with

1199
00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:24,520
is when we're in other countries and

1200
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:26,740
we're trying to propagandize well those

1201
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:28,210
pertain to other countries because we

1202
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:30,130
may or may not want to lead them to

1203
00:46:33,810 --> 00:46:31,390
believe that we have this that was money

1204
00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:33,820
and it cooks big points is that hey

1205
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,340
let's cause somebody to go get scared

1206
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:38,240
start spending below

1207
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:39,890
wasting billions of dollars chasing

1208
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:42,380
something holy cow the US has this you

1209
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:47,510
know let let shushing pings they didn't

1210
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:50,030
China go you know yell at his people and

1211
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:51,830
have a bunch of people killed because

1212
00:46:54,849 --> 00:46:53,630
they didn't beat the us to this etc

1213
00:46:56,589 --> 00:46:54,859
think about it this way this information

1214
00:46:59,170 --> 00:46:56,599
has been out since December 14th

1215
00:47:02,349 --> 00:46:59,180
officially or semi officially December

1216
00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:02,359
14th of 2017 since then a lot of people

1217
00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:04,550
have discussed this subject and you know

1218
00:47:09,310 --> 00:47:06,380
what I'm talking about a little bit

1219
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:09,320
different maybe a little bit new but no

1220
00:47:12,310 --> 00:47:10,430
one from the government's come out and

1221
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:12,320
said that we're lying no one's come out

1222
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:14,030
and said that we're wrong and no one has

1223
00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:17,150
said anything to any to anything that

1224
00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:19,400
anyone said and some and there's some

1225
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:21,230
some thoughts to go behind that to say

1226
00:47:24,370 --> 00:47:23,030
well they're not gonna get involved

1227
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,380
because now you're getting into the you

1228
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:26,480
know kind of some conspiracy realm the

1229
00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:28,760
problem is you have actual guys that are

1230
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:30,950
trained to observe and that's what they

1231
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:32,990
did they observe things and they

1232
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:36,290
reported them and now they're getting

1233
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:38,750
essentially well they're getting their

1234
00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:40,609
vindication out a little bit I hope they

1235
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:42,740
feel that but at the same time they also

1236
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:45,230
went through a lot of Hell many many

1237
00:47:50,109 --> 00:47:48,380
years behind the scenes without anyone

1238
00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:50,119
knowing of sitting there night after

1239
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:52,540
night thinking back probably going wow

1240
00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:54,710
that's sticking out my mind I want to

1241
00:47:58,599 --> 00:47:56,300
know that it's just like if you've ever

1242
00:48:00,120 --> 00:47:58,609
seen a UFO or seeing a ghost or seen

1243
00:48:02,589 --> 00:48:00,130
anything out of the ordinary

1244
00:48:04,839 --> 00:48:02,599
you probably think back on it

1245
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:04,849
periodically and it may bother you this

1246
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,570
however is not you it's many people saw

1247
00:48:12,849 --> 00:48:10,640
this and many people experienced it and

1248
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:12,859
their stories are checking out you know

1249
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:16,010
I have an issue with someone coming

1250
00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:18,530
through who was a part of it almost in a

1251
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,180
roundabout way discrediting the other

1252
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:22,640
guys I have a problem with that but I

1253
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:25,010
one none in the know I wasn't inside

1254
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:28,280
that group and could point you know

1255
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,650
either direction and say well he's right

1256
00:48:34,570 --> 00:48:32,720
or he's right you know farmers right for

1257
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:34,580
what he or whatever his name is I favor

1258
00:48:41,020 --> 00:48:38,720
in favor you know he's in my opinion I

1259
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,030
feel badly for the other guys because

1260
00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:43,280
it's almost like he's kind of saying

1261
00:48:46,540 --> 00:48:45,020
well you guys might be embellishing this

1262
00:48:48,609 --> 00:48:46,550
a little bit you're you're stretching

1263
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:48,619
stuff order and I don't feel they are I

1264
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:50,750
feel their stories are accurate I am

1265
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:52,130
based on my knowledge

1266
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:54,890
of what I have seen in her and listen to

1267
00:48:59,860 --> 00:48:57,410
the columns myself that yeah it's it's

1268
00:49:03,480 --> 00:48:59,870
it's exactly as they say and he his

1269
00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:03,490
comms were part of those cops so so

1270
00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:05,900
disinformation you're saying doesn't

1271
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:07,430
make sense the US government wouldn't

1272
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:10,430
want to lead people to believe falsely

1273
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:13,240
that this is us technology and therefore

1274
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:16,720
not get an edge on its opponents or

1275
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:18,710
believe that it's not an extra

1276
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:20,510
terrestrial we could flip that coin all

1277
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:23,180
day long and it's gonna be 50/50 flip

1278
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:25,910
each time the situation there is is that

1279
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:27,830
you're look you're taking a situation or

1280
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,410
you're taking a technology and you're

1281
00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:32,960
saying you're either bluffing that you

1282
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:34,700
have it and you want them to go waste a

1283
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,440
bunch of dollars to try to duplicate you

1284
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:39,200
or you actually do have it and you want

1285
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:40,430
them to waste a bunch of dollars trying

1286
00:49:44,530 --> 00:49:42,380
to duplicate you either way the results

1287
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:44,540
the same you're you're not gaining

1288
00:49:47,350 --> 00:49:46,010
anything so that you're they're gonna be

1289
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:47,360
spinning their wheels trying to trying

1290
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:49,310
to do this either way so I don't think

1291
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:51,140
so I don't think that would be the case

1292
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:53,630
and in my experience with the government

1293
00:49:58,930 --> 00:49:57,170
as far as doing disinfo here you get

1294
00:50:02,110 --> 00:49:58,940
your PR people to go out and do their

1295
00:50:03,370 --> 00:50:02,120
job you know of sugarcoating things and

1296
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:03,380
we witness that through the Vegas

1297
00:50:08,410 --> 00:50:06,010
situation so with you know Aaron rouse

1298
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:08,420
staring down Lombardo from behind for

1299
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:12,380
four weeks on it but was that disinfo

1300
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:15,560
was he being told what to say and and if

1301
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:17,090
that's the case then you have to

1302
00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:19,100
determine how much of that is us trying

1303
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:20,780
to calm down the public or trying not to

1304
00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:22,670
create some sort of mass hysteria or

1305
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:27,140
whatever in this case I think the

1306
00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:29,510
important the important part of the

1307
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:30,980
story that I feel needs to get out is

1308
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:32,840
the fact that these are not

1309
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:36,470
extraterrestrial they are they are here

1310
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:38,810
you know whether is even if China madam

1311
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:41,390
or whoever make made the things but the

1312
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,890
problem with that is is it that wouldn't

1313
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:45,440
fit the story in San Diego because we

1314
00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:47,090
would have tried to take him out we

1315
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,140
would there would be a lot of things

1316
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:49,760
going on the other piece of the story

1317
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:51,770
that's still hard to really piece

1318
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,550
together is the Navy patents the 20-17

1319
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:57,200
name Matins is like wait why are they

1320
00:51:01,480 --> 00:50:58,850
patenting something if it already exists

1321
00:51:03,820 --> 00:51:01,490
why didn't they do it under a privacy

1322
00:51:05,140 --> 00:51:03,830
shield classified shield which they

1323
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:05,150
theoretically could have done

1324
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:07,369
you know is that missing for

1325
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:10,609
disinformation well we don't know what

1326
00:51:14,349 --> 00:51:11,410
that's for

1327
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:14,359
the tic tacs have obviously been out for

1328
00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:17,089
a long time so if they've been out then

1329
00:51:21,489 --> 00:51:18,380
that technology has already been

1330
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:21,499
patented and is it different technology

1331
00:51:24,370 --> 00:51:23,089
than the nature I mean maybe it is it

1332
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,380
certainly seems to be describing a

1333
00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:26,960
tic-tac if you read that yeah I agree

1334
00:51:32,410 --> 00:51:29,480
but is it another way of creating a

1335
00:51:36,099 --> 00:51:32,420
tic-tac type flying device possibly well

1336
00:51:37,299 --> 00:51:36,109
the you know with patent law everybody

1337
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,309
believed there is a certain percentage

1338
00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:39,440
of change like okay we can patent this

1339
00:51:42,970 --> 00:51:41,390
like two thousand four here we have the

1340
00:51:44,529 --> 00:51:42,980
original tic-tac oh now we got a little

1341
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:44,539
bit of a different idea let's do the

1342
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:46,670
gimbal with a different manufacturer and

1343
00:51:50,589 --> 00:51:47,990
we'll patent that separately and that

1344
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,599
way both are covered okay why would one

1345
00:51:56,289 --> 00:51:53,119
patent be publicly accessible and known

1346
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:56,299
and the other patent not are the two

1347
00:52:00,009 --> 00:51:58,249
technologies that different or are they

1348
00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:00,019
so close that they felt that the

1349
00:52:05,259 --> 00:52:03,950
original patent you know is gonna is

1350
00:52:06,789 --> 00:52:05,269
gonna be revealed at some point in time

1351
00:52:08,170 --> 00:52:06,799
anyway so let's just go ahead and just

1352
00:52:09,789 --> 00:52:08,180
do a new patent and we'll say though

1353
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:09,799
this is it and you have the Navy doing

1354
00:52:14,019 --> 00:52:12,230
one and Air Force doing the other then

1355
00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:14,029
the next option I guess and Michael you

1356
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:15,380
have to weigh in if I'm not getting this

1357
00:52:21,489 --> 00:52:18,710
correctly is that somehow turbo might

1358
00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:21,499
truly believe this himself that that

1359
00:52:26,829 --> 00:52:23,420
maybe that the the government you know

1360
00:52:30,279 --> 00:52:26,839
altered reality altered perception

1361
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:30,289
altered consciousness and that you'd be

1362
00:52:35,729 --> 00:52:33,140
amazed what the military is capable of

1363
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:35,739
doing as far as playing with people's

1364
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,170
minds well that's yet that's getting

1365
00:52:44,019 --> 00:52:41,119
into psyops and and various um the

1366
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:44,029
cultures and things like that when you

1367
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:45,470
get into that are they doing that to

1368
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:48,529
this day I I'm sure they probably are is

1369
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:53,390
this that no I don't believe that this I

1370
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,130
know I'm not a part of that that's just

1371
00:52:58,180 --> 00:52:56,720
not my thats not anyone that knows me

1372
00:53:01,390 --> 00:52:58,190
knows that I would never be a part of

1373
00:53:10,569 --> 00:53:07,930
but into a room he said the key word no

1374
00:53:12,460 --> 00:53:10,579
I have never been in a situation and I

1375
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:12,470
would never allow myself to do it I'm

1376
00:53:17,170 --> 00:53:15,980
you know I'm pro-government Pro USA Pro

1377
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:17,180
that's whatever if you want to look at

1378
00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:18,770
it that way but at the same time

1379
00:53:23,170 --> 00:53:20,750
there's a point where the BSN's in

1380
00:53:24,340 --> 00:53:23,180
reality begins and if you have the

1381
00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:24,350
government doing things that's

1382
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,190
suppressing technology and not allowing

1383
00:53:31,060 --> 00:53:29,119
civilization to move forward I got a

1384
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:31,070
problem with that okay because it's

1385
00:53:35,050 --> 00:53:32,810
supposed to trickle out you know NASA

1386
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:35,060
did a lot of things that we gained a lot

1387
00:53:40,330 --> 00:53:38,930
of a lot of Technology from and everyone

1388
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:40,340
can relate to that because we've all

1389
00:53:45,340 --> 00:53:42,290
seen it but when it comes to military

1390
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:45,350
that our first thoughts are is that this

1391
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,170
is somehow bad technology because they

1392
00:53:52,210 --> 00:53:50,240
develop weapons but from those developed

1393
00:53:55,150 --> 00:53:52,220
weapons they come up with with lasers

1394
00:53:57,460 --> 00:53:55,160
that can be focused down to such a small

1395
00:53:59,020 --> 00:53:57,470
size that they can go in and start you

1396
00:54:00,820 --> 00:53:59,030
know taking out different cancers and

1397
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:00,830
what-have-you so these technologies that

1398
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:02,810
these contractors are coming up with in

1399
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:04,700
these civilian companies it's something

1400
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:06,380
that should be fostered and pushed

1401
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:08,330
forward and I think it should be open

1402
00:54:15,609 --> 00:54:11,690
yeah I I'm of the same thought process

1403
00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:15,619
that Elan musk is that just do it give

1404
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:18,740
it away just let everybody have it if

1405
00:54:22,810 --> 00:54:20,090
someone comes out with the competing

1406
00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:22,820
technology that you know you're they're

1407
00:54:28,359 --> 00:54:26,750
gonna use it against you you know you

1408
00:54:29,770 --> 00:54:28,369
don't you don't want necessarily like an

1409
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:29,780
Iran to gator or something like that so

1410
00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:31,369
you still you still have to be the

1411
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:33,160
leader of the pack but at the same time

1412
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:35,240
some of these technologies that can

1413
00:54:39,010 --> 00:54:37,670
transform us for the better in global

1414
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,020
warming and do all the different things

1415
00:54:44,290 --> 00:54:41,359
that we want to have done put your money

1416
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:44,300
where your mouth is into it you know so

1417
00:54:50,050 --> 00:54:47,810
you are sorry your phone and or you

1418
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:50,060
flying across country in an hour and 24

1419
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:52,010
minutes one we got a couple of comments

1420
00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:54,290
from that saying that well an hour and

1421
00:54:59,560 --> 00:54:56,540
24 minutes that's not that fast

1422
00:55:01,840 --> 00:54:59,570
there are craft existing craft that can

1423
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:01,850
take you from the west coast to the East

1424
00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:03,890
Coast in an hour and 24 minutes which

1425
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:05,480
I've heard others I've heard others say

1426
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,220
that's not true but what's your yeah

1427
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:08,960
first off that that is not true the

1428
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,730
craft that could have done that would

1429
00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:13,280
have been the sr-71 craft that are

1430
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:14,750
currently in the inventory that could

1431
00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:16,910
get close to that would be some of the

1432
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:18,500
obviously the faster craft any any

1433
00:55:23,890 --> 00:55:20,690
supersonic plane could get close to that

1434
00:55:26,770 --> 00:55:23,900
number the thing about the thing about

1435
00:55:27,849 --> 00:55:26,780
that time getting from the east coast to

1436
00:55:29,650 --> 00:55:27,859
the west coast an hour and 24 minutes

1437
00:55:31,390 --> 00:55:29,660
the only plane that comes to mind is

1438
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:31,400
what sr-71 and I tell me about that

1439
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:32,180
plane yeah

1440
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:34,280
soare 71 yeah that's what would you like

1441
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:37,250
to know well speed or what is it why is

1442
00:55:43,450 --> 00:55:40,089
it retired now let's because it's

1443
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,460
what type of time you retire something

1444
00:55:47,950 --> 00:55:45,680
the logical thought process is is

1445
00:55:49,809 --> 00:55:47,960
something is replacing it it's replaced

1446
00:55:51,609 --> 00:55:49,819
in technology so the platform's keep

1447
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:51,619
moving higher and higher so if you can

1448
00:55:57,609 --> 00:55:55,609
put a a space-based telescope that can

1449
00:55:59,440 --> 00:55:57,619
take a look down on the ground and see

1450
00:56:01,390 --> 00:55:59,450
the same things that the sr-71 because

1451
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,400
and you're not risking having one shot

1452
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:02,960
down over enemy territory and what have

1453
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:06,020
you then yeah that then lets that's that

1454
00:56:09,099 --> 00:56:06,650
was a spy plane

1455
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:09,109
yeah the sr-71 spy plane yeah yeah and

1456
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:13,490
it and its fastest speed was what 2,500

1457
00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:15,530
miles an hour or something yeah I mean

1458
00:56:20,049 --> 00:56:17,960
it's faster than that but that was the

1459
00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:20,059
the speed that I couldn't Ain it's using

1460
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:24,200
no technology that is there is there and

1461
00:56:29,859 --> 00:56:27,440
how many of these were there I bet I

1462
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:29,869
don't know not a large number maybe in

1463
00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:32,480
less around 20 or less I believe and

1464
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:34,670
there's variants of it one was made for

1465
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,530
the CIA which is the yf-12 yeah the

1466
00:56:41,289 --> 00:56:38,720
sr-71 which is the reconnaissance

1467
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:41,299
version for the primarily for the air

1468
00:56:46,030 --> 00:56:44,270
was this developed at plant 42 know that

1469
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,040
well kinda sorta cuz it's in the same

1470
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:48,079
areas it's developed by Lockheed and

1471
00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:50,530
that was the skunk works Kelly Johnson

1472
00:56:58,030 --> 00:56:52,790
and they don't fly the middle right now

1473
00:57:01,809 --> 00:56:58,040
they're totally no retired correct tell

1474
00:57:03,099 --> 00:57:01,819
us a little bit of more about I mean so

1475
00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:03,109
many people are trying to discredit you

1476
00:57:05,799 --> 00:57:04,790
in so many different ways and saying

1477
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:05,809
that you know okay

1478
00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:09,200
even if military sources have disclosed

1479
00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:11,150
things to him about this that could

1480
00:57:16,839 --> 00:57:13,190
simply be disinformation the only thing

1481
00:57:18,970 --> 00:57:16,849
that keeps it from that would quiet the

1482
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:18,980
people were saying it's just information

1483
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:23,150
is if you actually saw it yourself so

1484
00:57:28,839 --> 00:57:26,980
are you able to open up a bit about

1485
00:57:31,450 --> 00:57:28,849
whether whether or not you've actually

1486
00:57:33,789 --> 00:57:31,460
seen it yourself flown on one etc well

1487
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:33,799
the reason you that that because I know

1488
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:35,089
you and the one I would love the

1489
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:36,530
distraction but on there that I'm kind

1490
00:57:38,859 --> 00:57:37,970
of thinking well yeah but people were

1491
00:57:39,549 --> 00:57:38,869
saying this is a different

1492
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:39,559
disinformation

1493
00:57:44,049 --> 00:57:41,569
guys it actually wouldn't matter how I

1494
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:44,059
answered that question if it's gonna be

1495
00:57:48,430 --> 00:57:45,980
this the same result if I say yes I

1496
00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:48,440
saw it they're gonna say okay then why

1497
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:51,020
you you know what what made you special

1498
00:57:54,430 --> 00:57:53,090
that allows you to see it and then I

1499
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:54,440
have to reveal some stuff I don't want

1500
00:58:00,040 --> 00:57:57,170
to reveal okay so that presents that

1501
00:58:02,830 --> 00:58:00,050
issue so I would prefer to to steer away

1502
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:02,840
from that and my my focus would be on

1503
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:05,330
the information itself the fact that the

1504
00:58:09,849 --> 00:58:08,510
craft do exist and that they are ours we

1505
00:58:11,590 --> 00:58:09,859
you know it's not that big concern to

1506
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:11,600
what have you but you're gonna have the

1507
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:15,170
the the the other side that's going to

1508
00:58:19,150 --> 00:58:17,330
just blast me saying you know you know

1509
00:58:20,290 --> 00:58:19,160
this technology doesn't exist Bobo which

1510
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:20,300
is what we're experiencing but the

1511
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:22,210
question I have for you is real simple

1512
00:58:27,580 --> 00:58:24,740
Occam's razor just reduce this down to

1513
00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:27,590
the simplest possible answer if those

1514
00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:30,020
things were either extraterrestrial or

1515
00:58:34,780 --> 00:58:32,630
from another country we would have

1516
00:58:37,090 --> 00:58:34,790
reacted to them completely differently

1517
00:58:40,090 --> 00:58:37,100
than how we did down there okay we would

1518
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:40,100
not have been some nonchalantly oh let

1519
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:41,690
the Princeton go into port let's just

1520
00:58:45,340 --> 00:58:43,430
take some of the data bricks out let's

1521
00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:45,350
just go look at this data and let's not

1522
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:48,020
attempt to shoot him down I mean they

1523
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:49,609
were there for days you know again I

1524
00:58:55,210 --> 00:58:52,310
want to emphasize that that point these

1525
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:55,220
crafts were seen over a period of an

1526
00:58:59,380 --> 00:58:57,770
insane thing with the one at of a

1527
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,390
Jacksonville right correct and they were

1528
00:59:04,270 --> 00:59:01,280
there for hours and hours on it it

1529
00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:04,280
wasn't you know why weren't we going

1530
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:06,440
after these things left and right I mean

1531
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,570
it should have been like a scene you

1532
00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:10,160
know from you know Independence Day

1533
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:11,960
where was just oh my god these things we

1534
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:13,550
just and just keep sending our aircraft

1535
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:15,650
out to to you know intercept these

1536
00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:17,930
objects that didn't happen it didn't

1537
00:59:22,660 --> 00:59:20,390
happen for reason and that reason I

1538
00:59:24,190 --> 00:59:22,670
think anyone else can figure out what

1539
00:59:27,340 --> 00:59:24,200
about a technology that would make

1540
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:27,350
people it would appear to people that

1541
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:28,700
they're seeing something that's real but

1542
00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:31,010
in fact it's not real well then you're

1543
00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:32,900
then you're stepping into Holograms

1544
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:35,900
you're stepping into quite a few other

1545
00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:38,930
technologies that are equally impressive

1546
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:41,630
to a degree but obviously the this would

1547
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:44,650
Trump them literally and figuratively

1548
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:47,090
but the there's the fact of the matter

1549
00:59:52,570 --> 00:59:49,910
is that the technology exists to fake

1550
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:52,580
this okay what they can fake the radar

1551
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:54,770
screen someone can go in there and do

1552
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:56,690
these things but the problem is the guys

1553
01:00:00,320 --> 00:59:57,720
that are there that

1554
01:00:02,990 --> 01:00:00,330
work on this stuff you know it it's it's

1555
01:00:04,820 --> 01:00:03,000
no one none of those guys are trying to

1556
01:00:06,859 --> 01:00:04,830
convince us that these things were real

1557
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,869
all they're trying to say is that this

1558
01:00:11,530 --> 01:00:09,119
is experience that I went through this

1559
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:11,540
is what I saw and I'm you know and

1560
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,740
someone came forward I'm going to

1561
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:15,180
support this guy this guy's gonna

1562
01:00:18,170 --> 01:00:16,980
support this guy here's some guys that

1563
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:18,180
are getting together and maybe some more

1564
01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:20,700
will come forward which did happen and I

1565
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:23,550
think that's how Ryan came came out and

1566
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:24,990
there may be some more there I guarantee

1567
01:00:27,859 --> 01:00:26,220
you there's more

1568
01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:27,869
and then here's this guy that wasn't

1569
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:29,070
even there that came out of the clear

1570
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:30,540
blue had nothing to do with it didn't

1571
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:33,030
even know anything about it until you

1572
01:00:37,099 --> 01:00:35,490
know a year or more later who has other

1573
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:37,109
pieces of information that may help

1574
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:39,630
these guys and you know and and that's

1575
01:00:42,620 --> 01:00:40,410
what I'm here for

1576
01:00:44,330 --> 01:00:42,630
I wasn't there I'm not claiming I was

1577
01:00:46,460 --> 01:00:44,340
there a part of that operation or a part

1578
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:46,470
of the project or the X the X number

1579
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:49,369
that these things are assigned to so

1580
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:51,570
nothing nothing of that of that nature

1581
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:53,160
so I'm not making any of those claims I

1582
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:55,380
have nothing to gain or anything by that

1583
01:01:02,660 --> 01:00:58,890
but what I feel is important is that the

1584
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:02,670
information that I'm giving is not so

1585
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:04,530
crucial to the United States security

1586
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:07,020
that it affects us in an or impacts us

1587
01:01:11,660 --> 01:01:09,540
in a negative way so I can sleep soundly

1588
01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:11,670
tonight not thinking that some guys

1589
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:13,020
gonna come up and whack me then all the

1590
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,000
night or I'm gonna be taken off to

1591
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:17,760
Leavenworth or something like that but

1592
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:21,630
if I do on my new lawyer so so people

1593
01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:24,660
tend you know I get eye rolls whenever I

1594
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:27,960
suggest that you may have possibly flown

1595
01:01:31,849 --> 01:01:29,430
in one and then I think I get even

1596
01:01:35,930 --> 01:01:31,859
bigger eye rolls when I talk about one

1597
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:35,940
of them being flown to North Korea what

1598
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:39,510
can you say about a sending one to North

1599
01:01:48,460 --> 01:01:45,330
Korea that information was was in passed

1600
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:48,470
to me by someone who I implicitly trust

1601
01:01:55,849 --> 01:01:52,980
now what it exactly did when it went

1602
01:01:59,570 --> 01:01:55,859
there I don't know I kind of have an

1603
01:02:00,800 --> 01:01:59,580
idea basically you're proving you can do

1604
01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:00,810
something you're showing off you're

1605
01:02:03,260 --> 01:02:02,070
showing off your technology and you're

1606
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:03,270
saying look if I can put this right

1607
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:04,890
there well what do you what do you think

1608
01:02:07,609 --> 01:02:05,970
would be the best way to show that

1609
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:07,619
technology off to the North Koreans if

1610
01:02:11,579 --> 01:02:08,930
you're trying to intimidate somebody

1611
01:02:14,779 --> 01:02:11,589
honestly I think that was pretty

1612
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:14,789
I think what well they had to be trunk

1613
01:02:21,299 --> 01:02:17,680
what he did I would probably have that

1614
01:02:23,459 --> 01:02:21,309
as a possible thought because I'm I look

1615
01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:23,469
for the comedy side of things or just to

1616
01:02:27,209 --> 01:02:25,150
show you something in it and if it was

1617
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:27,219
an important time and place to do that

1618
01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:29,890
and he did that but my problem with it

1619
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:32,380
is is I think that that technology was

1620
01:02:35,849 --> 01:02:33,729
not necessarily showed him at that time

1621
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:35,859
that's my honest opinion I think that

1622
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:37,569
was it that was not my view is that

1623
01:02:41,999 --> 01:02:39,130
negotiation all comes down to China

1624
01:02:42,420 --> 01:02:42,009
China's gonna tell Kim when to do a deal

1625
01:02:43,949 --> 01:02:42,430
yeah

1626
01:02:45,749 --> 01:02:43,959
as long as we're screwing with them on

1627
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:45,759
trade and they're gonna say keep

1628
01:02:50,249 --> 01:02:47,049
screwing with Trump on nuclear weapons

1629
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:50,259
and a valid point in that point being

1630
01:02:56,429 --> 01:02:52,569
that we weren't really showing Kim we

1631
01:02:57,900 --> 01:02:56,439
were showing China yeah they certainly

1632
01:02:59,939 --> 01:02:57,910
would are we were you working at

1633
01:03:02,400 --> 01:02:59,949
cinnamon why also say if there was ever

1634
01:03:04,289 --> 01:03:02,410
a president who was going look at that

1635
01:03:06,269 --> 01:03:04,299
and choose to show it off he's the guy

1636
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:06,279
how convenient that is so you know you

1637
01:03:09,089 --> 01:03:07,209
might find it

1638
01:03:11,329 --> 01:03:09,099
you might scoff at and think oh come on

1639
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:11,339
who's gonna choose to do them like well

1640
01:03:16,739 --> 01:03:14,529
Trump does he doesn't follow the the

1641
01:03:18,929 --> 01:03:16,749
usual path right and to add to that mix

1642
01:03:20,939 --> 01:03:18,939
and that wasn't the only demonstration

1643
01:03:22,949 --> 01:03:20,949
so there was an additional demonstration

1644
01:03:24,479 --> 01:03:22,959
that I have been told about that

1645
01:03:27,329 --> 01:03:24,489
involves a different president of a

1646
01:03:29,669 --> 01:03:27,339
different country and involves a war in

1647
01:03:30,809 --> 01:03:29,679
Syria so there was also a proof of

1648
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:30,819
technology there too

1649
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:33,130
which happened the very next day that's

1650
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:33,849
my understanding

1651
01:03:41,279 --> 01:03:37,599
and that would be Putin could be and

1652
01:03:42,689 --> 01:03:41,289
again how would you exactly show it off

1653
01:03:46,739 --> 01:03:42,699
show it off in a way that it shows up on

1654
01:03:48,359 --> 01:03:46,749
their their radar or or send it by the

1655
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:48,369
hanging out outside the Kremlin how

1656
01:03:51,779 --> 01:03:50,650
would I do it yeah I would just Park it

1657
01:03:54,539 --> 01:03:51,789
right in front of his door and when he

1658
01:03:56,669 --> 01:03:54,549
walks out don't bangs into it and then

1659
01:04:00,329 --> 01:03:56,679
take off put a big US flag on it and

1660
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:00,339
yeah just or you know drop little

1661
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:02,049
leaflets from I don't know I mean just

1662
01:04:06,329 --> 01:04:04,150
yeah and to be clear you're not claiming

1663
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:06,339
that you were on the tic-tac when you

1664
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:08,079
flew to meet Putin right I just want to

1665
01:04:10,289 --> 01:04:09,609
clarify no I'm not claiming that you

1666
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:10,299
were not lying okay

1667
01:04:15,709 --> 01:04:13,089
I would I would not have been on it it'd

1668
01:04:18,809 --> 01:04:15,719
be very windy so I would have been in it

1669
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,819
I've been very windy where and what

1670
01:04:22,349 --> 01:04:20,319
would have been windy honest I would

1671
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:22,359
have to be in it oh that's how George

1672
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:31,290
right oh yeah yeah maybe I don't know

1673
01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:33,190
that the the thing about the uses of it

1674
01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:35,980
as to whether you use I mean this is

1675
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:38,260
where people look at me and the things

1676
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:39,760
I'm saying they're going okay this is

1677
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:41,710
borderline bizarre and silly but we've

1678
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:43,810
done some rather silly things to prove

1679
01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:46,330
our technology okay so when when I say

1680
01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:48,190
something like that I look at it from

1681
01:04:52,109 --> 01:04:50,080
the outside to go wow this this is

1682
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:52,119
really gone off the deep end my are

1683
01:04:55,140 --> 01:04:53,290
you've been interviewing this guy this

1684
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:55,150
guy's obviously a wackadoodle get him a

1685
01:04:59,160 --> 01:04:58,000
free show but in reality we've done a

1686
01:05:02,880 --> 01:04:59,170
lot of that in history

1687
01:05:05,790 --> 01:05:02,890
I've personally witnessed it so I know

1688
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:05,800
that we do do that it's not something we

1689
01:05:08,790 --> 01:05:07,270
put on the front page and go haha

1690
01:05:10,109 --> 01:05:08,800
we're just going to screw with you but

1691
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:10,119
we've screwed with other countries quite

1692
01:05:16,290 --> 01:05:13,450
a bit doing really wild crazy things so

1693
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,300
this is not out of the norm by any means

1694
01:05:18,930 --> 01:05:17,920
well the other thing I Michael and I

1695
01:05:21,090 --> 01:05:18,940
were talking about after the Nick Cooke

1696
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:21,100
interview I mean I'm learning how much

1697
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:23,410
money is going into these black box

1698
01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:26,170
operations if it's thirty billion a year

1699
01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:29,350
whatever the number is there should be

1700
01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:31,030
some serious stuff that's been developed

1701
01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:32,320
for that kind of money if you have

1702
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:34,630
thirty billion dollars to a Silicon

1703
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:36,609
Valley company and they're gonna come up

1704
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:38,290
with some pretty cool stuff now this is

1705
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:39,609
the government so half of its gonna be

1706
01:05:45,090 --> 01:05:41,770
wasted right right but the other 15

1707
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:45,100
million times it's a 30 mm this was

1708
01:05:49,020 --> 01:05:47,410
going on for 30 years it's a lot of

1709
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:49,030
money and that's not just making b-1

1710
01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:50,830
bombers right and if you go back in

1711
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:52,540
history you'll see where anti-gravity

1712
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:55,450
was was a lot his money was putting

1713
01:05:58,920 --> 01:05:57,310
putting in those projects quite a bit

1714
01:06:00,690 --> 01:05:58,930
and then it was pulled back because they

1715
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:00,700
just weren't getting the desired results

1716
01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:03,190
so now that technologies that are being

1717
01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:06,520
developed with with the military and the

1718
01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:09,070
DARPA arm keep in mind DARPA pretty much

1719
01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:13,060
open agency I mean you can go join it

1720
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:14,260
yourself if you want you can become a

1721
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:15,940
part of what's called open catalog and

1722
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:18,910
participate so the thing about DARPA is

1723
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:21,730
that the technologies that they get that

1724
01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:23,920
money that remember when in the old days

1725
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:25,630
you had these black bag projects that

1726
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:27,310
the money had to go out and Senator

1727
01:06:31,170 --> 01:06:28,810
Appropriations Committee or someone had

1728
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:31,180
to approve it and then it was funneled

1729
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:32,650
in some other name and then that money

1730
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:34,510
was trickled out to the eventual program

1731
01:06:39,390 --> 01:06:37,450
now you have DARPA that's openly

1732
01:06:41,099 --> 01:06:39,400
showing you the technologies that

1733
01:06:42,359 --> 01:06:41,109
they're working on and then the

1734
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:42,369
companies that are working on like

1735
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:43,930
Boston Dynamics with the robots we've

1736
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:45,849
seen here you know the last year

1737
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:47,680
that's all DARPA technology that's

1738
01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:49,450
that's basically been kicked back into

1739
01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:51,430
the private sector for them to develop

1740
01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:54,430
it further so DARPA has a very unique

1741
01:06:59,790 --> 01:06:57,430
role in this and that it played an

1742
01:07:02,070 --> 01:06:59,800
integral role in the initial technology

1743
01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:02,080
of pulling it from one university or

1744
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,430
another one ain't putting the money into

1745
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:04,960
it and actually making something that

1746
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:08,050
functions and that's that makes all the

1747
01:07:10,890 --> 01:07:09,280
difference in the world so I think the

1748
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:10,900
last critique I can think of that's

1749
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:15,550
being raised is that you clearly know a

1750
01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:18,310
lot and but everything that you've said

1751
01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:20,230
on this show are things that you could

1752
01:07:25,470 --> 01:07:23,260
pick up by doing a lot of internet

1753
01:07:27,630 --> 01:07:25,480
research and then kind of putting all

1754
01:07:29,790 --> 01:07:27,640
the pieces together and then it's coming

1755
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:29,800
out flat out and saying it's us

1756
01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:32,530
technology so it's really you being a

1757
01:07:36,359 --> 01:07:34,030
smart guy that's put a lot of pieces

1758
01:07:39,089 --> 01:07:36,369
together read a lot of things surmised a

1759
01:07:41,310 --> 01:07:39,099
lot of things and but you're really just

1760
01:07:42,930 --> 01:07:41,320
coming out with your opinion even though

1761
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:42,940
you're calling in fact but no one else

1762
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:44,770
has done this no one else has actually

1763
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:47,290
said the things I've said so the

1764
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:48,640
information that I have is different

1765
01:07:55,260 --> 01:07:52,720
it's something that's not just waived

1766
01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:55,270
whatever well certainly asserting that

1767
01:08:00,000 --> 01:07:58,690
it's us that it's the Air Force yes but

1768
01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:00,010
everything else that kind of leads to

1769
01:08:03,630 --> 01:08:02,380
that conclusion you could kind of find

1770
01:08:05,370 --> 01:08:03,640
well someone could sit there and

1771
01:08:07,079 --> 01:08:05,380
probably brainstorm it over a period a

1772
01:08:09,089 --> 01:08:07,089
few days ago well this must be how it

1773
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:09,099
this must be how this would have worked

1774
01:08:13,290 --> 01:08:11,290
out so let me go with this as a

1775
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:13,300
best-guess scenario and get that

1776
01:08:17,789 --> 01:08:15,010
information out there so I'm gonna go

1777
01:08:20,729 --> 01:08:17,799
out and say it as if it's fact

1778
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:20,739
just get more attention yeah and then I

1779
01:08:26,459 --> 01:08:22,900
would be ruining our friendship by using

1780
01:08:28,530 --> 01:08:26,469
you to put out some crazy move for what

1781
01:08:30,749 --> 01:08:28,540
benefit yeah you know my I'm standing by

1782
01:08:33,539 --> 01:08:30,759
you so far my friend I am a believer

1783
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:33,549
sometimes I'm well you sorry I find it

1784
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:34,930
hard to believe that I believe as you

1785
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:37,089
sit here and I have actually wavered

1786
01:08:40,170 --> 01:08:38,319
Michael tell you I haven't wavered

1787
01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:40,180
despite the people we've interviewed in

1788
01:08:44,180 --> 01:08:41,500
believing what you're saying I know I

1789
01:08:46,190 --> 01:08:44,190
appreciate that and when you were on the

1790
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:46,200
their show the other day you you know I

1791
01:08:51,290 --> 01:08:48,690
I could Jeff Reince yes I could sense

1792
01:08:53,270 --> 01:08:51,300
that there is you know some some

1793
01:08:54,710 --> 01:08:53,280
differences of how both of you believe

1794
01:08:56,570 --> 01:08:54,720
and definitely differences of how I

1795
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:56,580
believe and if he wanted to interview my

1796
01:09:00,620 --> 01:08:58,170
own and show that would be blown

1797
01:09:01,940 --> 01:09:00,630
definitely differences about Vegas yeah

1798
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:01,950
definitely difference is there too by

1799
01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:02,730
the way that's something we should

1800
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:06,120
address too because you know you know

1801
01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:08,250
rents immediately linked to a ha wait a

1802
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:10,230
minute this can't be a coincidence he

1803
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:12,270
was researching Vegas and he happens to

1804
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:14,550
know about this aha obviously disinfo

1805
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:16,890
obviously multiple shooters in Boston

1806
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:20,040
and he and he anyway we was talking to

1807
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:21,920
you was telling you specifically that

1808
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:24,450
anyone be an idiot to believe whatever

1809
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:26,730
the way I don't do that way my my

1810
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:28,500
investigation in Las Vegas my

1811
01:09:32,330 --> 01:09:30,510
investigation here will stand on its own

1812
01:09:34,670 --> 01:09:32,340
when I put that information out there

1813
01:09:36,290 --> 01:09:34,680
no one's debunked me on Vegas and no

1814
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:36,300
one's gonna debunk me here because the

1815
01:09:39,710 --> 01:09:37,620
information I'm putting out is what I

1816
01:09:41,060 --> 01:09:39,720
feel is factually true but if I write

1817
01:09:43,850 --> 01:09:41,070
that a lot of people in the so-called

1818
01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:43,860
Vegas community are not happy with you

1819
01:09:48,710 --> 01:09:45,900
because they feel like you've closed the

1820
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:48,720
door on any possibility other than Patek

1821
01:09:52,190 --> 01:09:50,580
acting alone no it's not necessarily

1822
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:52,200
Patek because I can't put the weapon in

1823
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:53,490
paddocks and I don't have the ballistics

1824
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:55,620
for it I can say that the bullets came

1825
01:09:59,390 --> 01:09:57,930
from that room and feel very confident

1826
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,400
in that with the audio analysis well if

1827
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:01,440
you were a prosecutor and Patek was

1828
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,910
still alive and don't you think he'd

1829
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:04,080
have a pretty good case and you'd be

1830
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:05,640
taking that case to trial and saying

1831
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,130
this guy did it yeah okay me I would be

1832
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:10,080
very confident and even his own brother

1833
01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:12,510
who speaks to me as well believes his

1834
01:10:17,930 --> 01:10:14,670
own brother did it so I think that

1835
01:10:20,650 --> 01:10:17,940
that's that's that kind of goes without

1836
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:20,660
saying if if I present information

1837
01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:23,760
generally that's 1/10 of what we're

1838
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:24,780
looking at it's like a tip of the

1839
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:26,310
iceberg because all the other

1840
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,260
information that I have I can't really

1841
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:30,480
put it on the table and say I would

1842
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:32,010
stand on the witness stand and square to

1843
01:10:35,420 --> 01:10:33,810
this but the information I have put out

1844
01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:35,430
I would and I would do it here on the

1845
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:38,910
information I've given you today so what

1846
01:10:42,170 --> 01:10:40,410
about the blowback thing though am i

1847
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:42,180
right that people are not happy with you

1848
01:10:45,650 --> 01:10:43,860
because they're still clinging to

1849
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,660
various conspiracy theories in Vegas

1850
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,040
right because you've got the helicopter

1851
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:49,440
theory you've got your Saudi Theory

1852
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:50,820
you've got people that believed there

1853
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:52,410
were multiple shooters but they all

1854
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:53,970
believe that based on information that

1855
01:10:58,890 --> 01:10:56,650
is on faulty evidence or

1856
01:11:00,570 --> 01:10:58,900
you looked into it you had a very open

1857
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:00,580
mind going into it I had a very open

1858
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:02,650
mind going into it and now where do you

1859
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:04,860
believe I believe that Patek acted alone

1860
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:08,170
and you know I mean it all the pieces

1861
01:11:13,650 --> 01:11:11,710
fit in to place that you know how he got

1862
01:11:17,370 --> 01:11:13,660
the guns up there why he did it

1863
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,380
problems with money psychiatric problems

1864
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:20,080
the history and the family etc and look

1865
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:21,760
where we are where people interact with

1866
01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:23,530
us is either on YouTube or various other

1867
01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:25,750
places and the interactions that we get

1868
01:11:30,930 --> 01:11:27,820
are with people that believe no one died

1869
01:11:34,860 --> 01:11:30,940
or all these different theories that

1870
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:34,870
they feel and that for me is just

1871
01:11:38,610 --> 01:11:36,520
something I would personally would

1872
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:38,620
rather not even respond to but sometimes

1873
01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:40,390
you can't help but you kind of find

1874
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:41,800
yourself having to respond to these

1875
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:44,080
people and you do and you try to be

1876
01:11:49,710 --> 01:11:46,510
respectful but then time as time goes on

1877
01:11:52,350 --> 01:11:49,720
it gets to the point where you're just

1878
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:52,360
really tired okay anything else that we

1879
01:11:58,110 --> 01:11:55,600
should add to the tic-tac story at this

1880
01:12:00,330 --> 01:11:58,120
time I was trying to get that for you

1881
01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:00,340
today I was trying to get something a

1882
01:12:02,820 --> 01:12:01,510
little bit more time and I and I

1883
01:12:04,860 --> 01:12:02,830
understand that this is a hard pill to

1884
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:04,870
swallow just like I said before I get it

1885
01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:07,360
I understand it and the thing is the

1886
01:12:11,220 --> 01:12:09,430
test of time is going to come out and do

1887
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:11,230
this because I can't come in here with a

1888
01:12:15,450 --> 01:12:12,610
bunch of documents and throw them on the

1889
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:15,460
table and say hey here's this or this is

1890
01:12:18,990 --> 01:12:17,890
it that's jeopardizing a lot of lives I

1891
01:12:21,390 --> 01:12:19,000
would never do that

1892
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:21,400
okay and I don't and anyone that would

1893
01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:24,850
do that I think would have a potential

1894
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:27,160
problem okay so that's not going to

1895
01:12:31,410 --> 01:12:27,520
happen

1896
01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:31,420
information is going to come out and it

1897
01:12:37,890 --> 01:12:34,750
will be relatively soon that we will see

1898
01:12:40,110 --> 01:12:37,900
more and more maybe people that are in

1899
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:40,120
the know kind of like I was which was

1900
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,130
kind of an odd situation for me to get

1901
01:12:46,770 --> 01:12:44,800
into this but there are other people out

1902
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:46,780
there kind of in a similar state that

1903
01:12:51,180 --> 01:12:49,090
are not currently in the military and

1904
01:12:53,610 --> 01:12:51,190
that may want to reveal what they want

1905
01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:53,620
to do and when they do we will hear it

1906
01:12:58,050 --> 01:12:55,900
and so when you say you were hoping out

1907
01:13:01,800 --> 01:12:58,060
of something for me today I was open

1908
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:01,810
here what's a give me a hint as to thing

1909
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:03,910
I was just gonna fly one down here and

1910
01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:06,610
just you already tried to do that trick

1911
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,840
on me once that's not gonna work

1912
01:13:12,190 --> 01:13:11,120
I can't fold the curtain back basically

1913
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:12,200
it was just gonna be something a little

1914
01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:13,820
bit more tangible something that make

1915
01:13:18,730 --> 01:13:15,980
you specifically feel more comfortable

1916
01:13:21,850 --> 01:13:18,740
with what and I think you and I have in

1917
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:21,860
the past something would come up or I

1918
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:24,170
think we did a thing for you look you

1919
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:25,520
had someone you were looking for you and

1920
01:13:29,370 --> 01:13:27,170
been able to find the years or what have

1921
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:29,380
you may have tried avenues and then I

1922
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:32,330
you tested me or I gave you the

1923
01:13:36,220 --> 01:13:33,650
opportunity to test me and I came

1924
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:36,230
through right yep yep so those are

1925
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:38,930
things that I'm constantly having to

1926
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,600
prove myself because I'm not currently

1927
01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:43,280
sitting on the board of the directors of

1928
01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:46,040
Bose album I'm not currently you know

1929
01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:47,780
running some huge conglomerate

1930
01:13:51,610 --> 01:13:49,400
corporation for cybersecurity and cyber

1931
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:51,620
threat assessment I'm not sitting at CNN

1932
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:52,340
every night

1933
01:13:56,050 --> 01:13:54,560
blasting waste and the newest Intel

1934
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:56,060
reports I was only at least four maybe

1935
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:58,130
some threads from the carpeting of the

1936
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:59,840
tic-tac maybe you can bring this in for

1937
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:00,080
me

1938
01:14:05,170 --> 01:14:03,290
no carpet no carpet no carpet no paint

1939
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:05,180
scratch off some paint I might be able

1940
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:07,850
to do that no Michael my toes could

1941
01:14:21,340 --> 01:14:18,400
Michael you you got anything to make

1942
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:21,350
raver first saw the tic-tac it was above

1943
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:26,090
the water and I believe they said there

1944
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:27,910
was something under the water as well

1945
01:14:33,010 --> 01:14:31,250
the the way my understanding is this

1946
01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:33,020
when the craft operates under water it

1947
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:35,510
makes a what would visually be a much

1948
01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:38,480
larger disturbance or the appearance of

1949
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:40,040
a much larger disturbance than what you

1950
01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:42,410
would see in the air the waters 25 times

1951
01:14:47,410 --> 01:14:45,080
more dense than air therefore I believe

1952
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:47,420
what you would see might be 25 times

1953
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:49,490
larger which puts it on the scale of a

1954
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:52,640
737 which is about what they said so

1955
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:55,130
that makes sense to me whether or not

1956
01:14:58,570 --> 01:14:56,810
that's the right answer it's just a

1957
01:15:00,940 --> 01:14:58,580
really quick response to that because I

1958
01:15:02,860 --> 01:15:00,950
thought about that too as to what that

1959
01:15:04,450 --> 01:15:02,870
could have been you know there there's

1960
01:15:06,190 --> 01:15:04,460
somebody I think brought up maybe

1961
01:15:08,340 --> 01:15:06,200
there's a mother ship under water and

1962
01:15:12,850 --> 01:15:08,350
they were launched from that I don't

1963
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:12,860
know but I do believe the craft either

1964
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:15,770
went underwater or another one was

1965
01:15:21,220 --> 01:15:18,410
underwater and then went deeper and went

1966
01:15:22,180 --> 01:15:21,230
out these things travel so silently

1967
01:15:23,980 --> 01:15:22,190
underwater

1968
01:15:25,870 --> 01:15:23,990
but the problem I have with that is is

1969
01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:25,880
that that type of cavitation that you

1970
01:15:28,450 --> 01:15:27,080
would have under order to allow them to

1971
01:15:30,970 --> 01:15:28,460
travel the velocities that they do

1972
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:30,980
should be something that we would pick

1973
01:15:35,890 --> 01:15:33,650
up that's again more technology that I'm

1974
01:15:36,970 --> 01:15:35,900
not aware of as to how we would be able

1975
01:15:38,830 --> 01:15:36,980
to track these things because the

1976
01:15:41,950 --> 01:15:38,840
submarine that was attached to the

1977
01:15:43,780 --> 01:15:41,960
nimitz group had no sighting nothing on

1978
01:15:45,100 --> 01:15:43,790
these yeah why would that be why

1979
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:45,110
wouldn't that same reason why the only

1980
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,730
radar that could pick them up was a spy

1981
01:15:49,570 --> 01:15:48,320
one be on the on the Princeton because

1982
01:15:51,940 --> 01:15:49,580
it's moving too quickly

1983
01:15:53,620 --> 01:15:51,950
no because the type of stealth

1984
01:15:57,250 --> 01:15:53,630
technology that it utilizes which I'm

1985
01:16:00,670 --> 01:15:57,260
also not 100% aware of allows it to

1986
01:16:03,130 --> 01:16:00,680
maneuver in in space or air or water I

1987
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:03,140
guess at will without being seen now

1988
01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:04,310
that does remind me in the last

1989
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:05,720
interview I thought you did hint about

1990
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:07,970
some knowledge about its underwater

1991
01:16:11,740 --> 01:16:10,490
capabilities or another incident yeah it

1992
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:11,750
was underwater what can you tell us

1993
01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:14,450
about that I'm I can tell you well this

1994
01:16:19,630 --> 01:16:17,390
is this is another proof that will come

1995
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:19,640
out at some point in time the speed at

1996
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:21,650
which it was tracked by a particular

1997
01:16:26,980 --> 01:16:24,890
submarine was around 502 500 550 miles

1998
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:26,990
an hour underwater which is almost the

1999
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:28,010
exact same thing as a commercial

2000
01:16:33,490 --> 01:16:31,310
airliner but underwater so that will

2001
01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:33,500
when was that incident I can't say and

2002
01:16:39,490 --> 01:16:37,190
where was that incident yes okay but

2003
01:16:41,460 --> 01:16:39,500
this is another Nimitz tape this is

2004
01:16:44,290 --> 01:16:41,470
another where the military

2005
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:44,300
tracked something that turns out it's a

2006
01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:47,360
tic-tac or it's a it's one it's one of

2007
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:49,910
the two or three I don't know well I do

2008
01:16:54,610 --> 01:16:51,530
know which one but I'm not identified at

2009
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:54,620
this point so another encounter in is

2010
01:17:00,820 --> 01:16:57,440
that another situation where one branch

2011
01:17:02,500 --> 01:17:00,830
was testing it with another branch well

2012
01:17:04,990 --> 01:17:02,510
it would still be Air Force so I mean

2013
01:17:07,810 --> 01:17:05,000
still be Navy so it's the same same

2014
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:07,820
thing I think a lot of people you know

2015
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,610
they have their their Monday quarterback

2016
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:12,320
rule book that if something goes

2017
01:17:16,450 --> 01:17:14,420
underwater that automatically transfers

2018
01:17:18,490 --> 01:17:16,460
jurisdiction to the Navy it doesn't

2019
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:18,500
really necessarily work that way

2020
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,410
but obviously the Navy has their patents

2021
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:23,120
and they're doing their variation of it

2022
01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:25,490
that will suit whatever job function and

2023
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:27,380
missions that they need to have their

2024
01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:30,410
version do with the thing theoretically

2025
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:32,450
you'd be able to travel just as fast

2026
01:17:38,410 --> 01:17:35,600
underwater as in the air I

2027
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:38,420
no I you know I that's the problem I'm

2028
01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:41,210
not you you need to get a a physics

2029
01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:43,550
quantum physics guy on here to help us

2030
01:17:47,620 --> 01:17:46,070
go I think that Navy Patent suggested

2031
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:47,630
that the answer is yes that it would

2032
01:17:51,940 --> 01:17:49,370
travel at the same speed because of this

2033
01:17:54,580 --> 01:17:51,950
vacuum that it creates that repels air

2034
01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:54,590
and whatever molecules but I'm not but

2035
01:17:58,600 --> 01:17:56,840
the the the the other thing is to is

2036
01:18:00,940 --> 01:17:58,610
maybe it can move the same speed through

2037
01:18:02,230 --> 01:18:00,950
it but whatever bubbles or whatever it's

2038
01:18:04,660 --> 01:18:02,240
creating behind it

2039
01:18:06,670 --> 01:18:04,670
may move at that speed I mean if an

2040
01:18:08,530 --> 01:18:06,680
object's moving through a medium as say

2041
01:18:10,540 --> 01:18:08,540
three thousand miles an hour underwater

2042
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:10,550
perhaps whatever it's leaving in its

2043
01:18:14,380 --> 01:18:12,710
wake is is moving forward as well but

2044
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:14,390
not at three thousand miles an hour I

2045
01:18:17,950 --> 01:18:16,640
don't know I wish I had those answers

2046
01:18:20,620 --> 01:18:17,960
and this will be picked apart I'm sure

2047
01:18:23,140 --> 01:18:20,630
but I'm not not the bottom line as you

2048
01:18:25,420 --> 01:18:23,150
sit here today would it be your belief

2049
01:18:30,970 --> 01:18:25,430
that they're in the process of building

2050
01:18:32,230 --> 01:18:30,980
more of these there's a bunch already so

2051
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:32,240
we already have a bunch and building

2052
01:18:36,340 --> 01:18:34,370
more well I know in the tic-tac side

2053
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:36,350
that there was quite a few I think they

2054
01:18:41,860 --> 01:18:38,210
were tracking multiple tracks back in

2055
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:41,870
2004 I think you were estimated as many

2056
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:45,890
as maybe 20 yeah yeah back then my

2057
01:18:50,830 --> 01:18:48,320
thought my my thought is this I don't

2058
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:50,840
think these costs as much to build as

2059
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:54,320
they prop as people would think they're

2060
01:18:57,670 --> 01:18:55,850
trying to equate this technology

2061
01:19:00,190 --> 01:18:57,680
technology to that of an aircraft

2062
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:00,200
carrier or a b-2 bomber and the

2063
01:19:04,030 --> 01:19:02,210
technology sounds sensational enough to

2064
01:19:05,770 --> 01:19:04,040
where while we must have paid billions

2065
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:05,780
of dollars for these things maybe for

2066
01:19:09,550 --> 01:19:08,480
the initial ramping up of the technology

2067
01:19:11,140 --> 01:19:09,560
but I don't think they cuz there's no

2068
01:19:13,420 --> 01:19:11,150
carpeting in them so they saved on that

2069
01:19:16,420 --> 01:19:13,430
they did save on that they did say and

2070
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:16,430
it's really just a kind of a tic tac

2071
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:19,730
shell yeah but but the thing that's in

2072
01:19:23,260 --> 01:19:21,770
there is this it's not a reactor but

2073
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:23,270
whatever this thing is that's generating

2074
01:19:26,860 --> 01:19:24,890
the energy presumably would be the most

2075
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:26,870
expensive component of it I would think

2076
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:29,450
but even then since we don't know it's

2077
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,970
and and they built so many I mean think

2078
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:33,440
about this we only have a few b-2

2079
01:19:37,780 --> 01:19:35,450
bombers we only have a few of various

2080
01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:37,790
craft that cost so much money but we

2081
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:39,550
have a lot of these that were out in

2082
01:19:45,210 --> 01:19:42,080
2004 that were obviously tracked and why

2083
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:45,220
I think they said there were 10 to 20

2084
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:47,810
pieces that were tracked at that time so

2085
01:19:50,980 --> 01:19:49,370
and I and I kind of agree with

2086
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:50,990
based on my information as well I think

2087
01:19:56,410 --> 01:19:53,930
that that's fairly accurate number and I

2088
01:19:59,200 --> 01:19:56,420
think they travel in lot numbers of five

2089
01:20:00,970 --> 01:19:59,210
for some reason and I don't know why so

2090
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:00,980
it would be five ten fifteen twenty so

2091
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:04,850
that would make make sense but as far as

2092
01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:07,970
the the cost to build these things just

2093
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:10,310
by over the years of me thinking on this

2094
01:20:16,330 --> 01:20:12,110
and I don't think these things cost

2095
01:20:18,970 --> 01:20:16,340
nearly as much as as we would think they

2096
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:18,980
would cost and that's they could I guess

2097
01:20:22,300 --> 01:20:20,570
we're getting ready to see Amazon fly

2098
01:20:24,460 --> 01:20:22,310
these things to your house you get in 15

2099
01:20:26,380 --> 01:20:24,470
minutes whatever you order so I'm not

2100
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,390
I'm not saying that but I think that the

2101
01:20:32,620 --> 01:20:29,360
technology after they got over the hump

2102
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:32,630
of getting it is not nearly as it's

2103
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:34,910
taking it back to SpaceX and musk we

2104
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:35,930
talked a little bit about that have you

2105
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:38,000
learned anything more about what is your

2106
01:20:42,190 --> 01:20:39,710
thoughts as to whether a company like

2107
01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:42,200
SpaceX also has this technology or

2108
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,950
something similar I there's a gifting

2109
01:20:50,050 --> 01:20:47,120
kind of like a gifting program so to

2110
01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:50,060
speak and when technology is thought

2111
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,800
that a certain company could best

2112
01:20:54,460 --> 01:20:53,600
utilize it and or develop it beyond

2113
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:54,470
where it's at

2114
01:20:58,780 --> 01:20:57,410
then that is done at the highest levels

2115
01:21:00,430 --> 01:20:58,790
on what have you and it's and it's still

2116
01:21:02,230 --> 01:21:00,440
top-secret ins what-have-you so these

2117
01:21:04,570 --> 01:21:02,240
these guys don't come in there and get

2118
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:04,580
it and then run back hey you know for

2119
01:21:09,340 --> 01:21:07,250
free and and start selling it and making

2120
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:09,350
money because that that's that defeats

2121
01:21:13,330 --> 01:21:10,850
the purpose of the program to begin with

2122
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:13,340
and that's where DARPA comes in again so

2123
01:21:19,210 --> 01:21:16,730
I believe the project's do you come back

2124
01:21:21,550 --> 01:21:19,220
to DARPA DARPA monitors it and then they

2125
01:21:23,230 --> 01:21:21,560
they manage you know wherever the

2126
01:21:25,090 --> 01:21:23,240
technology goes I'm not hiring some

2127
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:25,100
positive on that so someone ripped out a

2128
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:27,110
partner too but as far as I'm as far as

2129
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:29,600
I know that's kind of how it works so

2130
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:31,490
good reason to believe that perhaps they

2131
01:21:36,940 --> 01:21:33,050
have shared this with somebody like

2132
01:21:38,830 --> 01:21:36,950
SpaceX yeah I believe I believe the

2133
01:21:40,420 --> 01:21:38,840
ability that's already happened yeah I

2134
01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:40,430
believe that started out that and I

2135
01:21:45,460 --> 01:21:43,550
believe blue origins and we have a

2136
01:21:59,870 --> 01:21:45,470
birthday to celebrate unless Michaels

2137
01:22:02,939 --> 01:21:59,880
got a last question over there I think

2138
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:02,949
based on the size of justjust you know

2139
01:22:08,490 --> 01:22:05,380
just talking tic-tac phenomena the size

2140
01:22:10,830 --> 01:22:08,500
of it I believe was done so it could be

2141
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:10,840
moved around on trucks or what-have-you

2142
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:14,050
or rail cars without it creating a

2143
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:16,510
problem because Aurora was huge you know

2144
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:17,590
and you have these crafts that are

2145
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:19,510
hundreds of feet long you know moving

2146
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:21,489
around the sky and blocking out you know

2147
01:22:27,390 --> 01:22:24,610
different things those are what was

2148
01:22:29,819 --> 01:22:27,400
detectable advantage to that is they're

2149
01:22:31,379 --> 01:22:29,829
really one I mean do we see these Aurora

2150
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:31,389
triangular craft going off and doing

2151
01:22:36,270 --> 01:22:33,730
wonderful things for the country I I

2152
01:22:38,270 --> 01:22:36,280
haven't seen it but this particular

2153
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:38,280
craft I think this is the game changer

2154
01:22:44,129 --> 01:22:41,770
this even though the craft as far as I

2155
01:22:45,569 --> 01:22:44,139
know can't be weaponized to the point

2156
01:22:47,069 --> 01:22:45,579
where it you know it does whatever you

2157
01:22:49,979 --> 01:22:47,079
could but you can fly these things at

2158
01:22:51,569 --> 01:22:49,989
pinpoint accuracy to have any plot spawn

2159
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:51,579
a spot on the planet and if they don't

2160
01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:52,239
cost that much

2161
01:22:57,089 --> 01:22:55,329
blow it up that's very intimidating and

2162
01:22:58,620 --> 01:22:57,099
then that's what that's what we do

2163
01:23:04,399 --> 01:22:58,630
that's why we're the only superpower on

2164
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:04,409
the planet is by doing it as now a

2165
01:23:10,109 --> 01:23:07,360
question I have for anyone watching this

2166
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:10,119
as are we stepping overstepping bounds

2167
01:23:16,410 --> 01:23:13,510
on any treaties that we may have I

2168
01:23:18,209 --> 01:23:16,420
haven't really heard a lot about that

2169
01:23:20,850 --> 01:23:18,219
but if we can if we have it say if you

2170
01:23:22,890 --> 01:23:20,860
put nukes on it then there's a lot of

2171
01:23:24,569 --> 01:23:22,900
nuclear treaties right not sure what

2172
01:23:26,850 --> 01:23:24,579
else right that would probably be the

2173
01:23:29,250 --> 01:23:26,860
exactly but having the capability of

2174
01:23:31,589 --> 01:23:29,260
putting you know I mean a nuke on it

2175
01:23:33,569 --> 01:23:31,599
are we transcending anything that might

2176
01:23:36,060 --> 01:23:33,579
be written into some treaty that we have

2177
01:23:38,370 --> 01:23:36,070
somewhere that might be a problem and